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Recently there have been more strident calls for Turkey to join the European Union from the Americans, Cameron, the Swedes and others.

However Germany and France are opposed to this because they have large Muslim populations and have seen the results.

Former French President Nicolas Sarkozy stated in January 2007 that “enlarging Europe with no limit risks destroying European political union, and that I do not accept…I want to say that Europe must give itself borders, that not all countries have a vocation to become members of Europe, beginning with Turkey which has no place inside the European Union.”

EU member states must unanimously agree on Turkey’s membership for the Turkish accession to be successful. In December 2011, a poll showed that as much as 71% of the participants surveyed in Austria, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Spain and the UK were opposed to Turkey’s membership in the European Union.

A number of nations may oppose it; notably Austria, which historically served as a bulwark for Christian Europe against the Ottoman Empire whose armies twice laid siege to Vienna in 1529 and 1683;

German chancellor Angela Merkel has long rejected Turkey’s accession bid, and has proposed a “privileged partnership” instead;] France, where some are anxious at the prospect of a new wave of Muslim immigrants, given the country’s already large, and poorly integrated, Muslim community.

Upon accession to the EU, Turkey would expect to receive economic development aid similar to what Ireland, Greece, Spain and Portugal received.

This will accelerate Turkey’s rate of economic development. There is also an expectation that there will be an increase in European foreign investment in the Turkish economy, further driving economic growth.

Additionally, in times of economic crisis, Turkey could expect economic assistance from the EU, similar to what Ireland and Greece received after the 2008 financial crisis.

And believe me they will probably need it even if they don’t.
Free movement of people across the EU will give many Turkish people the opportunity to easily migrate to other parts of Europe in search of work, or a higher standard of living.

The option of migration out of Turkey will inevitably ease tensions in the east of the country, as the prospect of a better standard of living will tend to cool separatist tendencies.

Some idiotic secularists in Turkey envisage that the accession of Turkey will contribute to the spread of secular western values in Turkey. Conversely, some non-secularists in Turkey envisage that accession will contribute to the further growth and acceptance of Islam in Europe.

By the word “acceptance” they mean that there would be no choice but to accept Islam as there would be additionally another 5 to 10 million Muslims in Europe and mass immigration into the UK.

At the moment there are now between 50 to 60 million in the EU out of a total population of 750 million.

Turkey is often hailed as proof that Islam and democracy are compatible however just recently the Prime Minister of Turkey Tayyip Erdogan said at the conference of the Fifth Alliance of Civilisations “Just like Zionism and Fascism ‘Islamophobia’ is a crime against humanity’.

The acceptance of the concept of Islamophobia as a concept is very concerning as it is the very tool that is used to bludgeon Dhimmis into submission.

It is also notable that Turkey is becoming more Islamified by the day.
Turkey, for instance, ranks 138th in the Press Freedom Index for 2010.

This puts it in the bottom quarter, below such countries as Egypt, Algeria, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait, and the United Arab Emirates.

He further noted, “Freedom of thought and belief ends where the freedom of thought and beliefs of others start (except for Jews). You can say anything about your thoughts and beliefs, but you will have to stop when you are at the border of others’ freedoms.”

In other words ANY criticism of Islam (that is now the governing principle) is a blow against the freedoms of any Islamic individual or group, this is hardly an indication that he or any of his people have embraced secular values or freedom of expression that are the basis of Democracy.

He sees Islam as being above all of these values but wants to export millions of his people into the heartlands of Europe. A Europe where the majority of Muslims are unemployed or unemployable, where a significant minority embrace terrorism, where they riot and burn cars (the outskirts of Paris is evidence of this).

Where the majority of Muslims see democracy as tool to be used to advance Islam – the French elections were evidence of this as Hollande only got in on the Muslim vote.

Turkey has a bleak record on human rights and still refuses to acknowledge its responsibility for the massacre of millions Kurds. Of the forty-seven countries subject to the decisions of the European Court of Human Right (ECtHR), Turkey has been the leader in violations against the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) for the last eight years (2004-2012).

Since comprehensive statistics became available in 2003, We await to find out whether this laudable record will be repeated in 2013.

Turkey also bans political parties fifty-seven political parties have at one point or another been dissolved. Since 2001, three political parties have been disbanded, and close to one hundred individual candidates and members of parliament have been temporarily banned from engaging in political activities, or have had their member-of-parliament status revoked.

This is what Cameron, the Americans and others call “democracy”.
Erdogan also spoke of the bloodshed in Mali, claiming religion has nothing to do with the carnage. He said it would be a “mistake to “evaluate the current developments in Mali as if they were based on religion.” (Imposing strict Sharia law by force on a moderate Muslim country has nothing to do with religion?)

He then came out with the classic about ‘the Religion of Peace’.
“Members of different religions in Mali are not fighting against each other.

There could be acts of terrorism in Mali but to define such violence as part of a religion would not be correct since no monotheistic religion encourages terrorism. Islam means ‘peace.’ We can never accept arguments that a religion of peace, Islam, encourages or approves terrorism.”

However the fact of the matter is that Islam DOES approve terrorism and it is written in the Koran that terrorism, murder, rape, slavery and other “trifles” are legitimate means of gaining territory, influence and power.

Throughout history these have been the methods of Muslim conquest. And now they want to join the EU to spread their particular brand of Jihad poison.

A government, not based on a clear concept of secularism, can hardly bring in true democracy. It can be and is a civil ascendency over its erstwhile military; but to be a democratic country; it must dispense equal rights to all its citizens without any reservations. The rule of law cannot be implemented without having a secular outlook, granting all citizens equal and unfettered human & social rights.

This is something that goes against the intrinsic grain of Islam.
Here a few quotes from Mr Cameron.
“I will remain your strongest possible advocate for EU membership and for greater influence at the top table of European diplomacy.”

“Together, I want us to pave the road from Ankara to Brussels.”
“Mr Cameron will attack: “those who wilfully misunderstand Islam” and who “see no difference between real Islam and the distorted version of the extremists.”

“I believe it’s just wrong to say Turkey can guard the camp but not be allowed to sit inside the tent,” he will add, criticising those who suggest that the country should pick between the east and the west, saying Turkey was stronger because it had chosen both.
Now having read this article and looked at this particular analysis of just what Turkey is, and what it represents in terms of democracy can anyone agree with Cameron and the rest who want this nation to join the EU?

Cameron is a blinkered fool if he thinks that Turkey will suddenly become a model democracy because it joined the EU. Merkel and the French know the true implications of another mass immigration into the EU by the Muslims.

It would be more social misery for ethnic Europeans/British people and possibly/probably the prelude to civil war.
We in this party have a duty to explain the true threat to all of Europe that Turkey will represent if it is allowed to join.

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  • Defiant

    they couldnt conquer Europe for hundreds of years now we should just let them in, what a good idea, wait its not:\

    • Damien

      Hey Mr. Hungarian, you know as well as I do that Hungary was conquered by Turks for around 500 years. Recently Hungarian president said that it was one of the best things happened to Hungary, because any other conquering force would change the country to their language and religion. But Turks didn’t. They did not rape your culture and language. They surely had the time, but they are not as barbaric as any other force in europe at that time. Tell me I’m wrong. Go read your history or ask your president how he feels about Turks. The fact is, EU is a christian club and they are reluctant of admiting muslims. Fine, not all Turks thinks EU membership is a right direction anyway.

      This whole situation reminds me the words of Nigel Powers. “There’s two kind of people I can’t stand. The people who has no tolerance for other people’s cultires, and the Dutch.”

      • Defiant

        it was a partial occupation and not for 500years but for 150, and we defended whole Europe meanwhile the major powers laid back, only after they were directly threatened did they unite with us to defeat the Ottomans, I dont care what some politicians say by the way, its called diplomacy.
        Nigel Powers was right by the way:)
        So at the end of the day you should grab a history book too.

  • Damien

    There’s so many things wrong with this article, don’t know where to start. Maybe I shouldn’t even start, if anyone wants to debate, please say something. Turks conquering Europe has been scarriest thing they had faced in the past. Even now they are affraid of Turks joining the EU, even though it would mean Turks will have to obey the laws tailored by EU countries.

    It’s not the fault of immigrants to come and take away your jobs, it’s the desire for your employers to find cheap labour. Stop blaming the poor economic refugees and start blaming politicians to bend over for rich people who wants more profit by allowing cleap laborers to come into the country.

    • Defiant

      are you a Turk by the way or something because your english is a bit broken, no offence.
      I dont care if imigrants come to the EU, but they shouldnt try to change it to a muslim superstate, its enough to look at France for example, or parts of Germany or the UK the crimestatistics clearly show that the majority of stabbings and rape are committed by muslim guys against non muslims, thats a fact.
      Aside from that Turkey opnely supports “al-cia-da” against Syria, wich caused horrors and genocide against civilians there,
      that tactic worked really well in Egypt and Libya, right?oh wait…, the rest not to mention, and yes the UK and France helped too, manily by US. pressure, thats why sarkozy lost the elections in France.
      So get of your high horse and see whats really happening.

      • Damien

        hehe, non taken. It’s more of a carelessness than broken. Looks like we’re on the same page on most of the issues. I know it’s the fact that stabbings and what not are commited by economically challenged people and in europe, they happen to be muslims. But you tell me how many of them are Turks. BTW, yes, I’m a Turk. Why did our government decided to side with Syrian rebels is also beyond me. I would have expected them to stay neutral, but they didn’t. They must know something I don’t. It’s no secret that Turkey and US are, have been allies. But I don’t like US meddling with east any more than you do.
        Tell me though, don’t you believe any other conquering force would do much more damage to your country then the Turks did?
        Just for the record, Sarkozy lost because he was an a-hole.

        • Defiant

          indeed it seems that we agree on multiple points.
          I dont know exactly how many of them are Turks, I would say the majority are from Pakistan and from different arab countries,but still Turks are on the statistics more then they should, more than the avarage.
          Look personally I dont think that Im a rassist I get along with every good people no matter from where they are,but 150 years is 150 years its hard to forget, and I cant tell exactly how much damage the Ottomans did back in the days but the destroyed fortified cities and the destroyed capital at the final battle could be a hint, and whats going on nowdays doesnt helps either, but I dont want to get into history its no use, I could hate Germans, Austrians and Russians too, I dont, but I havent forget what they did either.Turkey has a very powerfull military probably on pair with Germany or France at least in regard of ground forces, about 3% of Turkey is in Europe that would be Istanbul(Constatintnapole), so in face of all the problems and todays happenings that are going on and history, would you suggest that takeing Turkey into the EU at present is really a good idea?
          We could take Israel or Russia too why not, everybody signs into the Eurozone and watches how the banxters slowly loot their country.
          by the way sarkozy is really an a-hole, very much so.
          another thing, I have talked with Turks in the past and many of them were suprisingly friendly and told how they would love Hungary and Attila the Hun,why is that? do they think that we are related or something?Im just curious.
          and one last thing how did you change the flag from US. to Japanese in your comments?
          sorry for the lengthy answer.

          • Damien

            I’m glad we understand each other. You don’t sound racist, and I don’t blame you for not having favorable thoughs about Turks. If my country were invaded, I wouldn’t have favorable thoughts about invaders either. It was the game at the time and I can’t know how just they were. But I know that they had not forced anyone in Europe to accept their gods or change their languages. They hadn’t even changed the name of Constantinapole for 150 years after invasion.
            I don’t think it’s a good idea for Turkey to join the EU right now either. Central bankers already have their grip on Turkey, but we’d be loosing much more than EU countries if we joined. Because of them bankers!!
            You used the word surprisingly, I’m not offended, I’ve been out of my country long enough to know that individual treats are what defines people, not the characteristics of their geographical location.
            At the end, no matter if you are black or white or pakistani, we all came from the same place, the punani!
            Yes, Turks also came from Atilla the hun, Chengis Khan, Mongols and mid asia. So what seperates us is the forgotten history.
            I travel between Japan and US every day, takes me 30 minutes or so. Nice talking with you brother.

        • Defiant

          I dont meant to offend you, I said suprisingly because they were as friendly as we were related much more friendly than Austrians for example or other neighbouring countries thats what suprised me, but you are right we are all Humans, its only politics and the divide and conquer policy that makes everything difficult, and of course banxters:)
          you must have real fast transportation capebilities:)
          It was also nice to talk with you, thank you, and all the best.

  • Damien

    hehe, maybe its because our shared encestory. When I went to Hungary, I was also surprised how similar our cultures were and how friendly the people there are.
    I live in Okinawa, work for US company, so when I comment from work, I must be going through US network. At home though, I’m in Japan. I drive fast, but not that fast. This was one of the rare debates I enjoyed. Thanks for being kind and open minded.

    • Defiant

      Ok I understand now, for a minute I thought that you were travelling beetween Japan and the US. via a UFO:)
      I can only say the same its rare where a discussion starts nervous and ends in a friendly manner,thanks.

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