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As the saying goes: if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em. Some Americans upset with the results of Election Day don’t quite agree, and now residents from 20 states have filed petitions with the White House to secede from the country.

Louisiana became the first of the (as of now) 50 united states that managed to collect enough signatures to have their petition for secession added to the White House’s website last week, and so far they’ve had no problem finding company. A petition asking for the government to “Peacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government” garnered more than 14,000 signatures since going live on November 7, and so far 19 other states have managed to attract similar success.

According to the terms of participation on WhiteHouse.gov, the website for the executive branch of the United States will make any petition searchable if it can collect 150 signatures within one months’ time, and collecting 25,000 signatures will necessitate an official response. So far Texas seems to be in the running to be the first state to receive a response from the commander-in-chief, with 21,777 signees asking for secession since their petition went live on November 9, barely 48 hours after US President Barack Obama claimed a victory in his bid for re-election.

In all, 20 states have so far broken the 150 signature threshold, mostly sticking closely to the script included in the first petition published by “Michael E” of Slidell, LA, who quotes the Declaration of Independence in his plea to once again separate the public from a power that, according to thousands of residents, doesn’t represent what is best for the people anymore.

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation,” Michael writes. “…Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government…”

In the case of Florida, where 6,271 signees have added their names between November 10 and November 12, the creator called on a quip from founding father Benjamin Franklin to explain his motives, quoting him as saying, “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

“Scott E” of Columbia Falls, MT also quoted Mr. Franklin in creating a petition that asks for the peaceful secession of Montana, adding that residents there “do see that in today’s world the Federal Government has not led our citizens justly and with honor.” In just two days, that petition has been signed more than 4,000 times.

In the Lone Star State, only 3,000 or so Texans are needed to cross that 25,000 threshold. According to their petition started by Arlington, TX’s “Micah E,” “The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending.”

“Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect its citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government,” he writes, adding that the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) and Transportation Security Administration (TSA) have blatantly abused the civil rights of Texans and other Americans, and cessation could be the only solution.

Should the threats of secession materialize past a flash in the pan on the White House’s website, the United States is likely to have a new addition sooner or later anyway. On Nov. 6, voters in Puerto Rico elected to petition US Congress for statehood, putting them on track to perhaps becoming the fifty-first member of the union.

The states that have so far accumulated more than 150 signatures on WhiteHouse.gov include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee and Texas. Georgia, Missouri and South Carolina have all crossed the 150 mark on two separate petitions posted online.

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  • Zharkov

    Petitioning the White House is merely symbolic.

    Congress has the power to admit a state into the Union under Article IV, Section 3 of the US Constitution, but they will never expel a state because that power was never mentioned in the document and they want the tax revenue. One might assume a state could voluntarily withdraw from the U.S. under the 10th Amendment because the power to remove a state was never given to Congress.

    The question of whether a state could unilaterally withdraw from the Union was practically settled in the American Civil War and that answer is obviously no, they can’t, regardless what power Congress did not have.

    The power of individual states to withdraw unilaterally seems obvious but the federal government has the larger military force and is willing to stop secession by violence.

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    • Jim

      This has some of my sympathies UNLIKE: Québec! bloody french separatists, who are already given more voting power, and economic power.

      P.S. I am part french so I know – Oh I know…

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    • jon

      I am afraid, you are right. I believe the seperated states would not want to pay federal tax, only the state one and government would lose a lot of money, not to be able continue the worl war. Since it is zionist lobby who has the real power in the USA ( Congresmen have been bribed by AIPAC as well) it has almost zero chance to go through. Another proof the USA do not have freedom and democracy, but slavery. Government job is to follow people will, not on the contrary which we have seen all the time.

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  • J. Neil Barham

    Zharkov says: The question of whether a state could unilaterally withdraw from the Union was practically settled in the American Civil War and that answer is obviously no, they can’t, regardless what power Congress did not have. The power of individual states to withdraw unilaterally seems obvious but the federal government has the larger military force and is willing to stop secession by violence.

    Mr. Zharkov — This, of course, is exactly the question. If the government is physically strong enough to deprive me of a right, does that mean I don’t have that right? Do rights come from Government, or from God? This is the point at issue in the current debate.

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    • Maggie G

      Interesting video: The United States Is The East India Company’s Endeavor
      http://youtu.be/63LKVYzJKds

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  • Zharkov

    There is a distinction between constitutional “rights” and constitutional “powers” and I will focus only on rights for the moment.

    I think there are at least three factors relevant to the concept of rights, a legal one based on prior law and precedent, a practical one which is the outcome of military force, and a theoretical one in which rights are postulated to exist and if generally accepted, are then agreed to exist and eventually legislated to become universal.

    Some constitutional rights were derived from the Magna Carta, some from other documents, but all are based in the inherent right of human beings to be free, and that right was presumed by the Constitutional Convention to come from God in the same way that monarchs derived their sovereign status.

    States’ rights are based on their small share of sovereignty granted by their citizens, at least in theory if not practice, and popular sovereignty was believed to be granted to the people by God.

    President Lincoln probably knew the confederacy had a God-given right to leave the Union but perhaps the concept of “Manifest Destiny” persuaded him to try to keep the Union together against the will of Southern states and in violation of their natural rights to withdraw. Our Declaration of Independence was a statement of that right to withdraw from British sovereignty and it is equally applicable to any sovereign including a federal government.

    It’s the practical aspect of federal military power that prevents secession rights from being exercised; they still exist but because of the Civil War, they require consent of the federal government to exercise them.

    No doubt the British Crown refused to consent to independence without a fight, the federal government will likewise not consent without a fight. States still have the right, but they will have to fight in Congress or on the battleground to exercise those rights. Freedom has rarely been granted without a fight. In that respect evolution has been a failure.

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    • Maggie G

      I personaly believe that roots of English common law are in Jus Gentium, so what we all think about is probably wrong, since we do not know full story and who is who in the game

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  • jay

    The best news I’ve heard in a while. The globalists are running America. Not the people.

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  • Luke

    Actually the number is up to 34 States now.

    Citizens from 34 States Petition the White House to Secede from the U.S.
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/citzens-from-34-states-petition-the-white-house-to-secede-from-the-u-s.html

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  • Naibsel

    I’m pretty sure TX and I think Ohio was the other state who have it in their state constitution to withdrawal from the union at any time if they see fit. Regardless of whether a state can withdrawal or not, it’s quite disturbing that half the country wants to leave. This is not about Obama. This is about a corrupt government gone too far and the people want their country back. I’m a US citizen living overseas and as much as I love the US of my youth, the US today is not that same country. I’m glad I left. I only wish I could get my family and friends out too. With half the country taking the first steps towards secession, I can really see in my lifetime another civil war to get this sorted out. We’re a patriotic bunch and this govt has gone beyond corrupt. We want our country back.

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  • Maggie G

    The U.S. economy is fully controlled by the Mercers and Bank of England and has been since 1868 onwards some might say since 1861 when America was turned into a corporation by Lincoln to try to pay off the Mercers for the Virginia Company of London debts for the original Settling of the region.
    http://vaticannewworldorder.blogspot.com/2012/06/uhm-jesuit-merchants-rule-bank-of.html
    What is strange here?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company
    Full story
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/113684529/Alt-Capitalism
    Gr8 book 2 read: Tupper Saussy: Rulers of Evil.

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  • James Hill

    Maggie darling, I hope your links pay by the hour? It’s enough work just reading the article and the comments here. I’m sorry, but I can’t do 3 hours worth of reading you you. Why don’t you just state the salient points in all of those links, instead of torturing people with all that intimidating reading? Just saying.

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