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Obama will have to produce birth certificate to run again.

It could be a game-changer.

A plan in Arizona to require presidential candidates to prove their eligibility to occupy the Oval Office is approaching critical mass, even though it has just been introduced.

The proposal from state Rep. Judy Burges, who carried a similar plan that fell short last year only because of political maneuvering, was introduced yesterday with 16 members of thestate Senate as co-sponsors.

It needs only 16 votes in the Senate to pass.

In the House, there are 25 co-sponsors, with the need for only 31 votes for passage, and Burges told WND that there were several chamber members who confirmed they support the plan and will vote for it, but simply didn’t wish to be listed as co-sponsors.

The proposal, which also is being taken up in a number of other states, is highly specific and directly addresses the questions that have been raised by Barack Obama’s occupancy of the White House. It says:

Within ten days after submittal of the names of the candidates, the national political party committee shall submit an affidavit of the presidential candidate in which the presidential candidate states the candidate’s citizenship and age and shall append to theaffidavit documents that prove that the candidate is a natural born citizen, prove the candidate’s age and prove that the candidate meets the residency requirements for President of the United States as prescribed in article II, section 1, Constitution of the United States.

The critical phrases are “natural born citizen” and the requirements of “article II, section 1, Constitution of the United States,” which imposes on the president a requirement not demanded of otherstate and federal officeholders.

At the time the Constitution was written, many analysts agree, a “natural born citizen” was considered to be a citizen born of two citizen parents. If that indeed is correct, Obama never would have been qualified to be president, as he himself has confirmed his father was a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom, making Obama a dual citizen with Kenyan and American parentage at his birth.

Other definitions have called for a “natural born citizen” to be born of citizen parents inside the nation.

There have been dozens of lawsuits and challenges over the fact that Obama’s “natural born citizen” status never has been documented. The “Certification of Live Birth” his campaign posted online is a document that Hawaii has made available to those not born in thestate.

The controversy stems from the Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, which states, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”

The challenges to Obama’s eligibility allege he does not qualify because he was not born in Hawaii in 1961 as he claims, or that he fails to qualify because he was a dual citizen, through his father, of the U.S. and the United Kingdom’s Kenyan terroritory when he was born and the framers of the Constitution specifically excluded dual citizens from eligibility.

There are several cases still pending before the courts over Obama’s eligibility. Those cases, however, almost all have been facing hurdles created by the courts’ interpretation of “standing,” meaning someone who is being or could be harmed by the situation. The courts have decided almost unanimously that an individual taxpayer faces no damages different from other taxpayers, therefore doesn’t have standing. Judges even have ruled that other presidential candidates are in that position.

The result is that none of the court cases to date has reached the level of discovery, through which Obama’s birth documentation could be brought into court.

Obama even continued to withhold the information during a court-martial of a military officer, Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, who challenged his deployment orders on the grounds Obama may not be a legitimate president. Lakin was convicted and sent to prison.

Burges told WND she’s asked the proposal to be assigned to the Government Committee.

“I think every American should consider it of prime importance to ensure that all candidates for the highest elected position in our nation meet all constitutional requirements,” she told WND. “We do not accept the federal government’s unconstitutional treatment of states as one of their extended branches.”

The Arizona bill also requires attachments, “which shall be sworn to under penalty of perjury,” including “an original long form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance.”

It also requires testimony that the candidate “has not held dual or multiple citizenship and that the candidate’s allegiance is solely to the United States of America.”

“If both the candidate and the national political party committee for that candidate fail to submit and swear to the documents prescribed in this section, the secretary ofstate shall not place that presidential candidate’s name on the ballot in this state,” the state plan explains.

The governor’s office is occupied by Republican Jan Brewer, who has had no difficulty in bringing direct challenges to Washington, such as a year ago when lawmakers adopted provisions that allowedstate law enforcement officers to enforce federal immigration law. The state’s move prompted an immediate court challenge by Washington.

WND also has reported that similar efforts are under way in Montana, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Texas:

Montana

Under Montana’s plan by Rep. Bob Wagner, candidates would have to document their eligibility and also provide for protection for state taxpayers to prevent them from being billed for “unnecessary expense and litigation” involving the failure of ‘federal election officials’ to do their duty.

“There should be no question after the fact as to the qualifications [of a president],” Wagner told WND. “The state of Montana needs to have [legal] grounds to sue for damages for the cost of litigation.”

Wagner’s legislation cites the Constitution’s requirement that the president hold “natural born citizenship” and the fact that the “military sons and daughters of the people of Montana and all civil servants to the people of Montana are required by oath to defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States and Montana against enemies foreign and domestic.”

But there are estimates of up to $2 million being spent on Obama’s defense against eligibility lawsuits. There have been dozens of them and some have been running for more than two years. So Wagner goes a step beyond.

“Whereas, it would seem only right and just to positively certify eligibility for presidential and congressional office at the federal level; and whereas, it is apparent that the federal authority is negligent in the matter; therefore, the responsibility falls upon thestate ; and whereas, this act would safeguard the people of Montana from unnecessary expense and litigation and the possibility that federal election officials fail in their duty and would ensure that the State of Montana remains true to the Constitution,” says his proposed legislation.

Pennsylvania

In Pennsylvania, there was excitement over the GOP majority of both houses of the state legislature as well as the governor’s office.

Assemblyman Daryl Metcalfe told WND he is working on a proposal that would demand documentation of constitutional eligibility.

He described it as a “problem” that there has been no established procedure for making sure that presidential candidates meet the Constitution’s requirements for age, residency and being a “natural born citizen.”

“We hope we would be able to pass this legislation and put it into law before the next session,” he said.

He said any one of the states imposing such a requirement would be effective in solving his concerns.

“I think the public relations nightmare that would ensue if any candidate would thumb their noses at a single state would torpedo their campaign,” he told WND.

Georgia

Rep. Mark Hatfield has confirmed to WND that he will have a similar proposal pending.

He had introduced the legislation at the end of last year’s session to put fellow lawmakers on alert that the issue was coming.

“I do plan to reintroduce the bill,” he told WND. “We’ll move forward with trying to get it before a committee.”

In Georgia, Republicans hold majorities in both houses of the legislature as well as “every constitutional statewide office,” he noted.

“I would be optimistic that we can [adopt the legislation],” he said.

Hatfield said if only one or two states adopt such requirements, it readily will be apparent whether a candidate has issues with eligibility documentation or not. And while he noted a president could win a race without support from a specific state, a failure to qualify on the ballot “would give voters in other states pause, about whether or not a candidate is in fact qualified,” he said.

“My goal is to make sure any person that aspires to be president meets the constitutional requirements,” he said. “This is a first step in that direction.”

Texas

WND reported on a bill prefiled for the Texas Legislature by Rep. Leo Berman, R-Tyler, that would require such documentation.

Berman’s legislation, House Bill 295, is brief and simple:

It would add to the state election code the provision: “The secretary of state may not certify the name of a candidate for president or vice-president unless the candidate has presented the candidate’s original birth certificate indicating that the person is a natural-born United States citizen.”

It includes an effective date of Sept. 1, 2011, in time for 2012 presidential campaigning.

State Rep. Leo Berman

Berman told WND he’s seen neither evidence nor indication that Obama qualifies under the Constitution’s requirement that a president be a “natural-born citizen.”

“If the federal government is not going to vet these people, like they vetted John McCain, we’ll do it in our state,” he said.

He noted the Senate’s investigation into McCain because of the Republican senator’s birth in Panama to military parents.

Berman also said there will be pressure on any lawmaker who opposes the bill, since voters would wonder why they wouldn’t want such basic data about a president revealed. And he said even if one state adopts the requirement, there will be national implications, because other states would be alerted to a possible problem.

“If Obama is going to run for re-election in 2012, he’ll have to show our secretary of state his birth certificate and prove he’s a natural-born citizen,” he said. “This is going to be significant.”

Berman said he’s convinced there are problems with Obama’s eligibility, or else his handlers would not be so persistent in keeping the information concealed.

A year ago, polls indicated that roughly half of American voters were aware of a dispute over Obama’s eligibility. Recent polls, however, by organizations including CNN, show that roughly six in 10 American voters hold serious doubts that Obama is eligible under the Constitution’s demands.

Other state plans also might be in the works but unannounced yet. Officials with the Denver-based National Conference of State Legislatures said they were not tracking bills in development.

But Orly Taitz, the California lawyer who has worked on a number of the highest-profile legal challenges to Obama, said efforts are under way now in Missouri and Oklahoma, too.

She said the bill is expected to be successful in Missouri where there is a GOP majority in the legislature and a GOP governor’s office, and in Oklahoma, where last year a similar plan failed by only one vote in the state Senate.

She encouraged residents of Tennessee, New Hampshire, South Dakota, California, Maine, New Mexico, South Carolina, Virginia, New Jersey and Iowa to contact their lawmakers, as there has been some interest expressed.

“We need eligibility bills filed in each and every state of the union … as it shows the regime that we are still the nation of law and the Constitution, that the Constitution matters and state representatives and senators are ready to fight for the rule of law. During the last election there were some 700 more Republican state assemblyman elected all over the country, as the nation is not willing to tolerate this assault on our rights and our Constitution any further,” she said.

Last year, several other states listened to proposals that could have had an impact on eligibility documentation. In New Hampshire, officials wanted to require candidates to meet the “qualifications contained in the U.S. Constitution.” In Oklahoma, lawmakers heard a plan to let voters decide the issue, and in South Carolina, the plan was to prevent candidates from being on the ballot unless “that person shows conclusive evidence that he is a legal citizen of the United States.”

Further, several other states discussed requirements for candidates, but they did not specifically address the Article 2, Section 1 constitutional compliance, so it’s unclear whether they would have addressed Obama’s situation.

There also was, during the last Congress, Rep. Bill Posey’s bill at the federal level.

Posey’s H.R. 1503 stated:

“To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee’s statement of organization a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution.”

The bill also provided:

“Congress finds that under … the Constitution of the United States, in order to be eligible to serve as President, an individual must be a natural born citizen of the United States who has attained the age of 35 years and has been a resident within the United States for at least 14 years.”

It had more than a dozen sponsors, and while it died at the end of the last Congress, there are hopes the GOP majority in the House this year will move such a plan forward.

There also is a petition, already signed by tens of thousands, to state lawmakers asking them to make sure the next president of the United States qualifies under the Constitution’s eligibility requirements.

“What we need are hundreds of thousands of Americans endorsing this strategy on the petition – encouraging more action by state officials before the 2012 election. Imagine if just one or two states adopt such measures before 2012. Obama will be forced to comply with those state regulations or forgo any effort to get on the ballot for re-election. Can Obama run and win without getting on all 50 state ballots? I don’t think so,” said Joseph Farah, CEO of WND, who is behind the idea of the petition.

An earlier petition had been directed at all controlling legal authorities at the federal level to address the concerns expressed by Americans, and it attracted more than half a million names.

For 18 months, Farah has been one of the few national figures who has steadfastly pushed the issue of eligibility, despite ridicule, name-calling and ostracism at the hands of most of his colleagues. To date, in addition to the earlier petition, he has:

* erected billboards around the country demanding, “Where’s the birth certificate?”:

* produced a 40-page special report on the subject;

* produced a 60-minute documentary video primer on the issue;

* manufactured yard and rally signs to bring attention to the topic;

* pledged to donate at least $15,000 to any hospital in Hawaii or anywhere else that provides proof Obama was born there and given you an opportunity to raise the amount;

* created a line of T-shirts you can wear to appearances by the president to raise visibility of the issue;

* created a fund to which you can donate to further the kind of investigative reporting into this matter only this company has performed over the last two years;

* launched a line of postcards you can use to keep the issue alive;

* distributed thousands of bumper stickers asking, “Where’s the birth certificate?”

Farah says all those campaigns are continuing.

“Obama may be able to continue showing contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law for the next two years, as he has demonstrated his willingness to do in his first year in office,” he wrote in a column. “However, a day of reckoning is coming. Even if only one significant state, with a sizable Electoral College count, decides a candidate for election or re-election has failed to prove his or her eligibility, that makes it nearly impossible for the candidate to win. It doesn’t take all 50 states complying with the law to be effective.”

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  • The Magic M

    This bill will not pass Constitutional muster if it should make it through legislation.

    It is obvious that no state can lay stricter prerequisites upon presidential candidates than the Constitution itself.

    Therefore,

    (a) the “original birth certificate” requirement violates Art. IV Sect. 1 (the Constitution’s Full Faith and Credit Clause stating that all official documents of one state must be accepted by all others, thus rendering it impossible for Arizona to define which Hawaiian records they will consider “sufficient”),

    (b) the requirement to be born in a hospital and in the attendence of a physician violates Art. II Sect. 1 (requiring the President only to be a natural born citizen which is not dependant on hospital birth),

    (c) the requirement to have been a US resident for the 14 years immediately preceding the election violates Art. II Sect. 1 (stating that 14 years of residency suffice, no limitation on when this residency occurs during the lifetime of the candidate),

    (d) the requirement to never have been a dual citizen violates Art. II Sect. 1 (while you can lose citizenship, you can never lose the natural born status by temporarily becoming a dual citizen).

    So, another bill drafted by people who obviously never exchanged a word with an expert on constitutional law.

    The sad part is that you don’t need to be a brilliant lawyer to see the deficiencies. It really makes you wonder about the competence of these people in other regards as well…

    • JamesTheJust

      So it is your contention that the Federal Constitution supersedes individual state constitutions. Interesting but not valid under the original article of confederation.

      Each state is sovereign. The ONLY purpose of the federation is economic and common military defense.

      You would probably oppose a state from leaving this union too even though, Constitutionally, they have this right.

  • sky

    Dear Affirmative Action President,

    Where is your birth certificate? Where are your college transcripts? I can’t get a job shoveling shit without either, yet you are somehow President…(not that there are any jobs shoveling shit available thanks to your work).

    Your dictatorship has taught me a few things.

    1. Being “black” is apparently an achievement. Quality is no longer a factor in deciding who advances and who doesn’t. Racism and discrimination towards “white” people is considered acceptable, and is mandatory according to state practices (affirmative action/workplace quotas.). In fact, many people are now of the idea that one cannot be racist toward “white” people, and are now calling it “reverse racism”. Are Caucasian people not a race? A country can not survive if it doesn’t put the most qualified people in the most important offices (like the presidency).

    2.Politicians never tell the truth about anything. You have lied about practically everything.

    3. Republicans and democrats are virtually the same party.

    4.The “men-behind-the-scenes” will do everything they can to thwart actual Americans from holding positions of power. (remember politicians co-opting the Tea party?)

    5.Our votes do not count; and may never have counted. (who are the members of the electoral college??) Why should the mysterious members of the electoral college decide who our President is? In an age of “high” technology a popular vote should be the determining factor for holding office. Since the public cannot be bought for in bribes; this option is out of the question.

    6.Law-Enforcement supports the politicians; not the American people. Why would members of federal law enforcement investigate politicians when future promotions and career advancements depend on the very people they should be investigating? This is akin to members of the mafia being allowed to pick FBI supervisors and judges. This is an absolute conflict of interest and would be illegal in a free country. Instead, these positions should demand a vote similar to how we elect some judges.

    7. Multiculturalism and diversity are absolute failures worldwide. Where are the success stories of Multiculturalism? There aren’t any. Muslims are over-running the Europe and want to subjugate all non-Muslims according to their “holy” books.

    8.We are no longer free, and are residing in the American equivalent of the Wiemar Republic.

    Allegiance and protection are reciprocal according to Thomas Jefferson. We are no longer being protected by this government; therefore, we owe you no allegiance whatsoever.

    We have less freedom than our ancestors had under King George of England. Keep pushing us Mr. President.

    • The Magic M

      > Our votes do not count; and may never have counted. (who are the members of the electoral college??)

      Hm, so we have more demand for “disregard this pesky thing called Constitution”? Of course you are free to say “this is something that should be changed”, but to pretend that the Constitution itself has been the source of “lack of democracy” is quite ridiculous.

      > Muslims are over-running the Europe

      You are probably lucky to find Europe on a map; it is obvious you’ve never been here and draw your knowledge from hate-filled blogs.

      > Politicians never tell the truth about anything

      So that means if Tea Party politicians claim that Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii, it means that they are lying, so he was actually born in Hawaii?

      > Are Caucasian people not a race? A country can not survive if it doesn’t put the most qualified people in the most important offices (like the presidency).

      Funny connection. Is qualification somehow related to race?

      > Affirmative Action President

      That would presume he became President because he is black. Funny, I remember quite a bit of Caucasians running against him. If the American people decide to vote for the black guy, how can that be “affirmative action”?
      Do you really want to tell the 69 million people who voted for Obama that they only did it because of his skin colour?

  • The guy styling himself “The Magic M” claims that “This bill will not pass Constitutional muster.”

    If he means anything cooking in the Congress, it’s not a matter of “Constitutional muster” but rather whether or not the National Socialist howler monkeys in the U.S. Senate will allow it to get out of committee.

    Of course, they won’t.

    When it comes, however to what a state government permits in terms of a candidate running for election in their jurisdiction….

    Oh, hell. Barry the Dip couldn’t even get on the ballot in those states by petition. He’s not eligible, and the Blue Party would have to show its complete contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law in order to get that incompetent excuse for a legitimate POTUS even nominated in 2012.

    Looks as if they’re gonna have to run the Woman With One Eyebrow instead. Watch for Bubba’s Bimbo to resign SecState late in 2011 “to spend more time with her family.”

    And put together her run for that seat behind the Resolute Desk where Ms. Dunham’s Mistake is currently squatting.

  • The Magic M

    > When it comes, however to what a state government permits in terms of a candidate running for election in their jurisdiction

    You obviously never read – or at least never understood – the Constitution you claim to so fervently wish to protect.

    It is not up to the states and “their jurisdiction” who can run for US president. This under the sole jurisdiction of the US Constitution and cannot be overruled by the states.

    A state cannot add “must prove he was born in a hospital” to the Constitutional requirements for presidency, just like it cannot add “must not be Jewish” or “must not have black hair”.

    If Arizona wants to do that, they will have to leave the union.

    But funny how birthers have no problems with violations of the US Constitution as long as it seems to further their goals of “getting that scary black man out of the White House”.

    > Barry the Dip couldn’t even get on the ballot in those states by petition.

    He could because such state laws would be deemed unconstitutional by the courts.

    > the Blue Party would have to show its complete contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law

    Obviously right now it is the Arizona bill that shows complete contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law.

    As long as Arizona says “we demand more to run for President than the Constitution”, they’re in contempt of the Constitution.

  • This “Magic M” putz keeps on crossing his fingers and trying to keep control of his bladder when it comes to the constitutionality of state-by-state ballot access in national elections, hoping against hope (jeez, wasn’t “Hope” one of the campaign slogans slimed by our Fraudulence-in-Chief a couple of years ago?) that the federal courts can or would overturn the “natural born citizen” proof of eligibility requirements for ballot access being enacted into law in Arizona and Montana and Georgia and Texas and….

    Hm. Ever wonder why this has got a National Socialist partisan like “Magic M” in such a sweating freak-out?

    Ballot access in national – federal – elections have differed from one state to another since the Constitution was ratified, and state legislatures have changed those requirements without federal judicial or statutory impairment. This “Magic M” clown has obviously never paid any attention whatsoever to the difficulties which “third parties” (those of us who are not members of the big, permanently incumbent Boot-On-Your-Neck Party masquerading as the Republicrats and the DemaGOPs) encounter every election cycle in order to get their candidates on ballots all over the nation.

    Jeez, the stupid schmuck is online as he’s reading this. You’d think he’d pop open a search engine and look it up.

    In order for our lying, thieving, malicious Chicago Machine “community organizer” to have gotten onto the ballot in ANY state during the 2008 elections, he had to sign an attestation in each such state to the effect that he was qualified under the provisions of Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution to hold the office for which he was declaring his candidacy, and then submit that attestation to the appropriate officer of the subject state’s government, according to the laws of that particular state.

    If the governments of the several states can REQUIRE such an attestation – and they do! – then those governments can REQUIRE documentary proof of such qualification rather than just taking the unsupported word of somebody like Barry Soetoro (he never did change his name back to “Barack Hussein Obama” after being dumped on the Dunhams by Mommy and Daddy Lolo, did he?).

    As for what the average American might think about such a requirement…. Well, hell. Last time I renewed my driver’s license, I was required to present a printed-on-checksafe-paper, signed and sealed certified physical document – not a JPG image, which is all anybody outside the National Socialist faction has ever seen of Barry’s supposed Hawaii Certification of Live Birth (COLB), but something the DMV clerk could hold in her hands – supporting my contention that I’d been born where I said I’d been born.

    Such requirements have been imposed by certain state governments (not all, by any means) since the Beltway sniper attacks in 2002. John Allen Muhammad had gotten a New Jersey driver’s license to serve as fake identification in the purchase, registration, and tagging of the car he and his teenage sidekick were using as a mobile shooting blind.

    So if millions and millions of average Americans have to put their personal birth certificates into the hands of these DMV clerks before they can RENEW the driver’s licenses issued by the same agency a couple of years before, just what the hell makes this “Magic M” sphincter think that any court in the nation could get away with sidestepping a duly elected state government’s requirement that our present Criminal-in-Chief can get access to the 2012 election ballot in that state without meeting a much less stringent requirement?

    Barry the Dip has striven mightily to keep his personal background concealed. His school records – Privacy! – his college and law school transcripts – No! – his client listings during his years in the practice of law – Verboten!

    Heck, you don’t have to be a Sherlock Holmes fan to understand that when a grasping son-of-s-donkey like Barry goes to so doggone much trouble to hide stuff, there’s definitely something in there that he KNOWS will ruin him.

    So there’s the case of “The Magic M” in a nutshell. This typical specimen of Obamaphilia ALSO knows that what’s in Barry’s permanent (but oh-so-hidden) record will prove that in each and every attestation he’d signed during the 2008 presidential campaign, there is documentary proof of perjury.

    That alone should guarantee that the only remaining argument is which state gets to prosecute and imprison him first.

    And then we’ve got a whole Constitutional crisis to untangle, including a couple of U.S. Supreme Court Justices who should (in all honesty) find their “Wise Latina” and Harvard Law School butts slamming rudely down upon those stone steps out front as they’re chucked out.

    One certainty, though. That’s the fact that Hairplug Joe Biden – that Delaware shyster – is right now the closest thing we’ve got to a legitimate President of these United States.

    Our first certifiably brain-damaged Chief Executive.

    Yeesh.

    • The Magic M

      > trying to keep control of his bladder
      > a National Socialist partisan like “Magic M”

      Whow, that makes you look really mature, mate. Funny how birthers always retort with a personal attack when someone points out elementary constitutional law to them. I wonder why that is…

      > Ballot access in national – federal – elections have differed from one state to another since the Constitution was ratified, and state legislatures have changed those requirements without federal judicial or statutory impairment.

      Again you refute something I did not say. I said states may not impose provisions that go beyond what the Constitution says, not that it may not impose any provisions. It would help if you read what I actually wrote – and SCOTUS’ rulings regarding this issue, while you’re at it.

      > If the governments of the several states can REQUIRE such an attestation – and they do! – then those governments can REQUIRE documentary proof of such qualification rather than just taking the unsupported word of somebody

      Correct. Again, I did not say the states may not require proof of eligibility. I said the Arizona bill fails to require such proof in a way that is constitutional.
      Yes, Arizona may require proof of natural born citizenship, but it is not up to Arizona to ask for proof that goes beyond the Full Faith And Credit Clause. Have you no respect for your Constitution that you claim otherwise?

      Arizona may ask for proof, but it may not make up their own definition of what consists proof.

      Arizona may ask for a certified copy (!) of the birth certificate, but it may not require the original, nor may it require a candidate to prove he was born in a hospital or, as other states’ bills are supposed to say, that the birth certificate itself states the baby to be natural born (no BC in the entire US says that).

      > As for what the average American might think about such a requirement…. Well, hell. Last time I renewed my driver’s license, I was required to present a printed-on-checksafe-paper, signed and sealed certified physical document

      But you did not need to bring your original birth certificate, did you? A certified copy was certainly enough. Your state could not suddenly say they don’t accept a certified copy from another state, could it?

      > – not a JPG image, which is all anybody outside the National Socialist faction has ever seen of Barry’s supposed Hawaii Certification of Live Birth (COLB)

      You can be pretty sure that once a state law requires a certified copy, Obama will produce a certified copy, i.e. a certified COLB.

      Your rant about “JPG images” is a straw man argument. No-one will produce a JPG image. But of course a JPG image was required to show it to anyone on the web. Feel free to enlighten me how you show a physical document to everyone on the web without using a digital image.

  • This “Magic M” putz has no more idea of the concepts of logic than he has experience of ballot access, has he? When speaking of those JPG images passed off in 2008 as representing the Certification of Live Birth (COLB) allegedly issued by the government of the state of Hawaii to a putative “Barack ZHussein Obama” in 2007, all that anyone outside the Obama Campaign – and supposedly the Annenberg Foundation people at FactCheck.org – has EVER seen thereof have been computer graphic images in JPG format posted online.

    Redacted to black out certain information on that COLB, too.

    Has even that 2007 COLB ever been handed over to a trained and experienced forensic documents examiner capable of attesting in a court of law as to the validity,provenance, and intact character of that hypothetical “proof” that our Illegal-Alien-in-Chief had first sucked air into his infant lungs in Honolulu instead of in the Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa?

    Oh, hell, no. If that 2007 COLB ever existed, Barry the Dip has spent an estimated two million dollars (and more) in legal maneuvers to keep that little item or anything else in his personal past records from seeing the light of day.

    This “guano-between-the-ears” bag of gas calling himself “The Magic M” uses the term “straw man” without even knowing what the hell the expression means.

    Pointing out that a physical document – which the Obama Campaign claimed to have had in their workers’ possession in 2008, suitable for scanning to form JPG images which were redacted with Photoshop to black out certain information before releasing it to the public – has NEVER been presented to anyone capable of providing expert testimony as to its validity? That’s not “straw man.” It’s noting more than the advancement of logical argument regarding the unreliability of THE ONLY EVIDENCE that has ever been alleged to support the contention that Barry Soetoro had been born in Hawaii instead of his native Africa.

    When the matter of John McCain’s presidential eligibility came up because he’d been born in the Panama Canal Zone while his father was on active duty assignment there at the time, the old airedale dumped his full records in front of the U.S. Senate, and simply said: “Here y’go.”

    The U.S. Senate decided (unanimously, wasn’t it?) that McCain met the “natural born citizen” qualification in Article 2, Section 1. No problem.

    But our malfeasant current Felon-in-Chief? The unbelievable slimeball has literally spent a fortune stonewalling every inquiry uttered, when even this “Masturbatory M” knows that the issue would become a matter of settled law – all pending and future cases resolved – the moment Barry Soetoro coughed up the sorts of documentary proofs which millions of Americans (as I’d pointed out) have to bring with them to the DMV to get their drivers’ licenses renewed.

    The governments of the states of Arizona and Georgia and Texas and Montana and everywhere else the 2010 elections got the National Socialist Democrat American Party (NSDAP) thrown out of legislative majorities and governors’ mansions – and “The Magic M” doesn’t yet seem to realize that this means in MOST of the several states making up this federal union of ours – are going to oblige Ms. Dunham’s Incomplete Abortion to come up with the same kind of documentary proof of his eligibility to run for (and to continue holding) the office in which he presently squats.

    Were it possible for the Obamessiah to “produce a certified copy, i.e. a certified COLB” that will survive scrutiny and confirmation – though he and his little ACORN elves have certainly had plenty of time by now to come up with something credible in the way of a forgery – he would have done it by now, wouldn’tcha think?

    Or is it that these fascist goons really think that the world will come to an end before the 2012 elections take place, and it really doesn’t matter whether or not Barry gets perp-walked out of the White House in handcuffs and ankle chains by a squad of federal marshals to spend the rest of his miserable natural life under suicide watch in Guantanamo?

  • The Magic M

    You forgot to mention that World Net Daily, one of the biggest birther mouthpieces, inspected the COLB (the document, not the JPG images) and found it to be genuine. Are they part of the conspiracy, too?

    > “guano-between-the-ears” bag of gas calling himself “The Magic M”
    > “Masturbatory M”
    > Ms. Dunham’s Incomplete Abortion

    You do have some issues, or are you 12?

    > “produce a certified copy, i.e. a certified COLB”

    Hm, isn’t your birther mantra that a COLB is not a birth certificate? Never mind being consequential, huh?

    However that’s all he’d ever need to produce, should such legislation come to pass. And every state would have to accept the certified COLB that Hawaii issues, due to the Constitution’s Full Faith And Credit Clause.

    So no birther whining about “it’s a forgery” or “it’s not a real birth certificate” or whatnot. Ain’t gonna happen.

  • Interesting that a masturbating Obamaphile – this “Magic M” sack of uncomposted bovine effluent – should cite World Net Daily (WND) as his authority on the validity of the 2007 Hawaii Certification of Live Birth (COLB) alleged to have been used to create the computer graphic images (in Joint Photographic Experts Group [JPG] format) which had been posted to the Web in 2008 as THE ONLY EVIDENCE of such a certification’s existence.

    Computer graphic images, which all please note, were themselves redacted to “black out” sections of the COLB from which they were supposedly scanned.

    The “Magic M” sphincter (writing from Germany, isn’t he?) may not be familiar with the fact that the average American private citizen who presents with an unsigned, not-stamped-and-sealed photocopy of a similar document as proof of citizenship or identity – especially one “blacked out” here and there – would be directed to get the hell out and come back with the original from which the photocopy had been made.

    Are we to accept the implicit premise of this “Magic M” mountain of excrement that America’s corrupt Chicago “community organizer” is to be trusted above the level reposed in the average American citizen whose wealth Barry the Bastich is spreading around?

    Let’s assume for the sake of argument that there actually exists a “certified COLB that Hawaii” had issued in 2007.

    Where is it? Some two million (and more) dollars spent by Barry and his little ACORN elves in legal wrangling all over the nation to prevent courts from granting petitions aimed at the disclosure of that single purported piece of paper and other elements of Barry’s past personal record, and our Felon-in-Chief sweats to prevent a “certified COLB” from being put on a judge’s desk for examination.

    Jeez, with that kind of confidence reposed in that kind of behavior, you’ve got to wonder just how much this “Magic M” buttwipe had had invested with Bernie Madoff, don’tcha?

    Oh, yeah. As for “issues.” Does anybody else reading this “Magic M” pick up the scent of anything other than stuff you cuss and scrape off your shoe?

  • The Magic M

    You do seem to be still deep inside your anal phase as your coprophilic and self-sexual projections seem to indicate.

    > Where is it?

    Why don’t you ask World Nut Daily, they inspected it (the actual document, not JPG images thereof). Funny how the most prominent birther site is suddenly not trusted anymore once it writes something that goes against your confirmaiton bias.

  • The World Net Daily (WND) article to which this “Magic M” heap of guano keeps trying idiotically to refer is online at:

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

    …where it can be read:

    “(Editor’s note: WND’s investigation into the certification of live birth did not include inspecting the actual document, but only asking experts to evaluate the online image. Those experts, therefore, could not ‘prove’ the document’s authenticity. The experts told WND merely that many of the forgery claims made against the image were inconclusive or falsified, leaving them no evidence that would cast doubt on the image’s authenticity.)”

    That’s “the image,” as in a computer-generated graphic image in JPG format. Not the physical document from which that image and others had been purportedly scanned in 2008.

    The physical Certification of Live Birth (COLB) allegedly issued by the government of the State of Hawaii in 2007 has never passed into the hands of anyone at WND, and the people at WND have taken pains to make this clear.

    That’s the reason, it seems, for publisher Joseph Farah’s increasingly popular “Where’s the Birth Certificate?” billboard and bumper sticker campaign.

    Not that anything is ever going to be clear to a Barry-sucking dollop of filth like “The Magic M,” of course.

    As a point of interest, more recently the WND people have been discussing the sworn attestation of a former Hawaii state government elections officer – Tim Adams – to the effect that:

    “…no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.”

    (see http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=254401 )

    Lots of other stuff at WND on the subject of our Fraudulence-in-Chief’s criminal failure to qualify lawfully to hold the office he presently infests.

    See: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=98546

    …for WND’s complete archive of news reports on the subject.

    I didn’t know World Net Daily had been doing such a bang-up job on covering this matter. Rotten and stinking and absolutely hateful as “The Magic M” is proving itself to be, I’ve got to thank the miserable sack of stool for steering me to the WND Web site.

  • The Magic M

    > a former Hawaii state government elections officer

    You mean the temporary worker Tim Adams whose title of “Senior Elections Clerk” may sound impressive but really is like saying “Senior Vision Clearance Engineer” when you’re actually talking about a window cleaner?

    The guy who had no access to the documents he claimed “aren’t there”? The guy who claims that information protected by state laws (Obama’s birth certificate) was the daily office joke as in “hey Jack, guess what, still no Obama BC on file today – let’s look again tomorrow”?

    > I didn’t know World Net Daily had been doing such a bang-up job on covering this matter.

    Actually WND was the main voice behind the entire conspiracy theory around “Kenyan birth” and suchlike.

    > I’ve got to thank the miserable sack of stool for steering me to the WND Web site

    I guess they will like your feces obsession over there.

    > The physical Certification of Live Birth (COLB) allegedly issued by the government of the State of Hawaii in 2007 has never passed into the hands of anyone at WND

    I stand corrected. See, I can admit a mistake when I make one.

    > criminal failure to qualify lawfully

    Enlighten me, how would it be criminal if, arguendo, Obama was born in Kenya but his parents told him and the entire world he was born in Hawaii?
    Do you have first-hand knowledge of where you were born? Remember, your birth certificate is not a trusted source according to your own birther logic.

  • The feculent “Magic M” can hardly wonder why its presence is a stench in the nostrils of all who read its posts on this thread, and so its repeated whines about being declared the sack of poo it really is (do they get *Dirty Jobs* in Deutschland?) are entirely en suite with its maintenance of the constellation of lies upon which the unconstitutional presidency of its beloved Barry the Bloat is based.

    With regard to the criminality – count after count after count accumulating every day that Barry squats upon the presidential porcelain just off the Oval Office – of our “spread the wealth around” Marxist-in-Chief, let’s bear in mind the fact that this scheming Chicago Machine corruptocrat is a Harvard-educated attorney (selected – affirmatively, no doubt – as editor of the Harvard Law Review, no less, though how he paid his tuition and expenses at the Cambridge Campus of Patrice Lumumba University, and what he wrote and published as a law student and editor of the Law Review he and his little ACORN elves have worked prodigies of concealment to prevent anyone from learning). Then it is known that he had advertised himself as a specialist in constitutional law.

    I’ve long wondered why a “community organizer” – characterized most accurately as a “poverty pimp” – would focus upon constitutional law as an area of special interest. A runny cowflop obamaphile like “The Magic M,” by contrast, is in no condition to think critically about anything which might tarnish the shining vision of its Anointed One.

    Next, we have the Obama Mystique making a big deal of how our Mombasa Messiah had functioned as a lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School (1992-1996), and senior lecturer (1996-2004), teaching three courses per year in that latter period. This was a part-time position. In the words of the school’s current media page: “…each of the Law School’s Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching.”

    Of course, we are not permitted access to a list of Barry’s clients during that “high-demand” period in our TelePrompTer-in-Chief’s life. His professional career in the practice of law – and the University of Chicago says that “Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty, and are regarded as professors” – is as carefully concealed from public view as are his Kindergarten records, his Punahou School transcripts, his academic and administrative records at Occidental College and Columbia University and Harvard Law and….

    Well, the people at WND keep a list. See their Web site (links above).

    Only a creature consisting completely of rotting excrement – like “The Magic M” – couldn’t regard something like Stanley Ann’s Reject without remarking on the stench he gives off.

    But that’s a general observation. To get particular about the level of criminality in every ticking moment of Barry Soetoro’s life since the evil spawn first schemed to get himself into the big, comfy chair behind the Resolute desk, we have merely to appreciate first that he is a lawyer, second that he chose to specialize in constitutional law (a Chicago Machine “poverty pimp” needs special expertise in constitutional law?), third that he spent many years on the faculty of the University of Chicago Law School, giving him collegial access to some of the brightest lights in the American legal profession.

    Heck, even Richard Epstein remembers having bumped into Barry every now and then during whatever time that “poverty pimp” could get away from his “high-demand career” to mingle with the full-time staff. Dr. Epstein is cautiously courteous when speaking his opinion of his colleague’s aptitudes and intellect. And oblique. Very oblique.

    Those of us familiar with Dr. Epstein know him to be one of those New Yorkers whose speaking style is mile-a-minute volubility, and he can declaim for hours on the subjects in which he is expert, packing so much into one of his lectures that his law students have been known to pound their heads against their desks in despair.

    But when Dr. Epstein talks about the Mystery With No History, he speaks very, very slowly, choosing his words with the same care one exercises when defusing a land mine.

    All these aspects of Barry’s shrouded career lead inevitably to the conclusion that our Atrocity From Africa came to his presidential aspirations with extraordinarily superior prior knowledge of the U.S. Constitution, including Article 2, Section 1 thereof.

    As a U.S. Senator, in fact, he had been called upon to assess the eligibility of his fellow Senator – Crash Test Johnnie, the nominal Republican – for that very office, and had joined with the rest of the Senate in the conclusion that McCain’s birth in the Panama Canal Zone while his father had been on active service assignment in the U.S. Navy was no bar to the Enemy Ace serving as the federal government’s chief executive.

    So we’ve got a “respondeat superior” situation with Barry the Bastich, haven’t we? The guy is the lawyerly equivalent of a neurosurgeon beating his wife over the head with a fire ax. Barry has had full criminal mens rea – the knowing intention to violate the law of the land – from the instant he conceived the insane idea that he could get away with this enormous, gaudy, utterly fraudulent fascist fantasy, a “red-diaper baby” socialist taking control of the most powerful national command entity on the planet.

    I suspect that his left hand was at that particular moment jerking away so frantically in his pants that the people seated around him in the restaurant thought they were witnessing a male emulation of that scene from *When Harry Met Sally*.

    As for recent statement of Tim Adams – the temporary Hawaii state government worker – it should be noted that he is the ONLY officer of that state government to have provided a signed attestation of any kind on the subject of whatever records reside in that government’s archives regarding the “proof” that Barry the Botch had been born in Hawaii.

    This is the only case in which any state officer has put himself in a “drop dead” condition with regard to the veracity of his testimony. All other Hawaii state government officials have “deniability” built into their statements on this subject, with wordings as careful as that of Dr. Epstein regarding the competence of his former fellow “professor” at the University of Chicago Law School.

    It is of Barry Soetoro we can repeat the immortal words of John Randolph of Roanoke:

    “Fellow-citizens, he is a man of splendid abilities, but utterly corrupt. Like rotten mackerel by moonlight, he shines and stinks.”

  • The Magic M

    Boy, the crazy is strong in this one…

    > This is the only case in which any state officer has put himself in a “drop dead” condition with regard to the veracity of his testimony.

    No, because he didn’t say “there are no records” but only said “some people told me there are no records” without even identifying said people.
    Therefore, his “affidavit”, even if presented in court, would not expose him to any risk as you can’t properly disprove a claim of “some unspecified people told me something”. Consequently, the entire “affidavit” is of zero importance.

    > All other Hawaii state government officials have “deniability” built into their statements on this subject

    Where’s the deniability for Dr Fukino who said Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen?

    > jerking away so frantically in his pants

    As I said, you do have a masturbation fetish/fixation you like to project on others. Go see a doctor before it becomes worse.

    > the insane idea that he could get away with this enormous, gaudy, utterly fraudulent fascist fantasy

    Indeed, the idea that such a thing could happen and that the entire world is taking part in this conspiracy is nothing but insane.

    > Of course, we are not permitted access to a list of Barry’s clients
    […]
    as carefully concealed from public view as are his Kindergarten records, his Punahou School transcripts, his academic and administrative records at Occidental College and Columbia University and Harvard Law

    When did any of the former presidents, including Republicans, ever disclose (let alone have to disclose) such a plethora of data totally unrelated to his eligibility or his ability?
    If the stuff is so important, why didn’t the 69 million Americans voting for him demand such information before casting their vote?

    Oh, I forgot, the 99.9% of the population who disagree with you are all stupid and/or brainwashed and/or paid by Soros and/or NWO fanatics. Guess you’re born in the wrong country then.

  • JamesTheJust

    Of course Barry, Sotoro, Obama – whatever the hell his real name is, could easily lay all this debate to rest by providing the proper documentation, just as all other presidents have in the past. But he won’t or can’t. Makes one wonder.

    Then there is that student give-away provided only to foreign exchange students….

    I’m sure the jews are laughing in their boots. Why shouldn’t they be? They’ve had thousands of years in “How to subvert White nations and make them fall”.

    First, bring in the aliens…slavery…make a profit off of it if you can. Then, when the alien races have increased sufficiently in numbers, cause riots and march along side of them PRETENDING that it is Whities fault.

    Obama is merely a symptom of the disease. The disease is the jew. Anyone who cannot see that is too hopelessly brainwashed or deliberately ignorant. All the information is out there, but it does take effort.

    There is a mental disconnect among my people. I swear for the life of me I cannot fathom it. Always pulling at the leaves of the weeds and never the root.

    Strike the root!

    • The Magic M

      > , could easily lay all this debate to rest by providing the proper documentation, just as all other presidents have in the past.

      Then where are the birth certificates of the Bushes, Clinton, Reagan, Nixon, JFK, …?
      Have you seen them? Do you know where they are? Do you know who vetted these presidents back then?

      Did any of these have to provide (or provided) the additional stuff you demand from Obama? You know, like kindergarten records, former clients, college thesis etc.? Who has provided these data and where can I inspect it?

      Note however that pointing to Reagan does not count since he released his BC only years *after* his terms were over.

      Did you also know Eisenhower filed (!) his BC 62 years after (!) his birth, accepted only on the statement of his mother attesting to his birth at home? Would any of you birthers accept the same from Obama, should it turn out his BC shows a home birth reported by the parents? Hell no!

      > easily lay all this debate to rest

      No, birthers with their constantly moving goalposts have already proven they will never be satisfied. If Obama produces an “original long-form BC”, they will ask for testimony by the signing doctor. Or pull out the Vattelist theory of “he’s not an NBC if he has a non-citizen father”. Or the Hail Mary of “Hawaii isn’t even a state”. Or something else they make up as they go along.

      Obama can never convince them, just as I can never convince you that God does not exist.

  • James, whence comes your hostility for “the jew,” anyway? I’ve known a few who were real sonzabitches, but only an exceptional few. The majority of ’em – in my admittedly limited personal experience – have been pretty decent folks. Good farmers, good neighbors, kept their kids clean and properly fed, didn’t let their property get run down, put in their shifts on the volunteer ambulance squad, all the rest of that stuff.

    I think their cooking sucks, but then so do they. Bump into ’em all the time at the Chinese take-out places, and if any of ’em keep kosher, it doesn’t show up at the Fire Company’s barbecue fundraiser every summer.

    Mmmm, spareribs….

    Maybe it’s because I’m an Italian-American. Those of us who are two or three or four generations away from Sicily and the Campagnia seem to get along with “the jew” pretty well.

    Now, the Irish….

    Well, don’t get me started about THOSE people!

  • With regard to the two statements uttered (as an official Hawaii state bureaucrat) by Dr. Chiyome Fukino, it’s now fair to say that this “Magic M” heap of horsepuckey has never sat through (much less passed) a med school course in Medical Jurisprudence, or attended any of those CME risk mitigation seminars Dr.Fukino and I are obliged to take on regular bases.

    Y’see, doctors in these United States are taught to be VERY precise in statements we utter over our signatures. Members of the Plaintiff’s Bar comb through everything we sign or initial in order to find elements with which to support a claim of dereliction of duty to the patient such as can be considered malpractice. Similarly, government and insurance company bureaucrats make strenuous efforts to “constructively interpret” things we write so as to arrive at a construe wildly divergent from our actual opinions and determinations.

    Dr. Fukino (whom I presume was a full-time Hawaii state bureaucrat herself, and not actually engaged in the practice of medicine when she issued her two “deniability built in” statements on the subject of our Mombasa Messiah’s allegations of birth in Honolulu) would – all other things being equal – be even more recondite in the contents of any statements she would utter, especially on an issue as fraught with legal ramifications as this one.

    Dr. Fukino’s first statement (31 October 2008) read in toto:

    “There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate.

    “State law (Hawai’i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

    “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

    Note that she does NOT say in that statement anything about what that “official birth certificate” is. Like any other American physician, I’ve completed and signed my share of birth certificates over the decades, and I know what goes into the ones we issue when a baby is born in a hospital in this nation, or in a U.S. military hospital overseas. I know that there are other kinds of “certified birth certificate[s]” uttered when a child is born OUTSIDE of hospital care, but I have no personal professional experience of them. Those who do have such knowledge (and more) of these variants on what can be considered a “certified birth certificate” in the eyes of a state government bureaucrat have written extensively on the subject.

    Suffice it to say that someone born in Mombasa could have a perfectly satisfactory “certified birth certificate” generated in Africa on file in Hawaii’s state government archives enabling Dr. Fukino to state that those files contain an “original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

    So that 31 October 2008 statement is rank with “deniability” in terms of what Dr. Fukino explicitly does NOT say.

    Dr. Fukino’s subsequent statement (27 July 2009) is also interesting. In full, it reads:

    “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

    Suddenly, the “original birth certificate” wording disappears. Now it’s “original vital records,” and Dr. Fukino – who is a physician, remember, not an expert on either constitutional or any other kind of law – offers her opinion that our Thief-in-Chief “was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.”

    The information supporting Dr. Fukino’s assertion?

    Nothing.

    When a physician comes to any conclusion, especially one as prominent as that which Dr. Fukino announced (under what stimulus?) in July 2009 – on the diagnosis of a disease, on the determination of temporary or permanent disability, on a psychiatric patient’s state of mind at the time of involuntary hospitalization – we’re required by professional standards of conduct to support that conclusion (if only briefly) with some mention of evidence leading thereunto.

    Does Dr. Fukino do this in that second statement?

    Nope. She DOES, however, get some distance between herself and that “original birth certificate” item in her 31 October 2008 statement. Somebody apparently got word to Dr. Fukino that the official Hawaii state government position is that all paper records were destroyed years ago, when the archives went digital, so Dr. Fukino COULDN’T “have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

    Oopsie.

    The stench of “deniability” is perceptible to anyone who isn’t composed entirely of uncomposted bullspoor himself – which leads us yet again to this “Magic M” shovelful.

    With Dr. Fukino’s statements – and yet again, I’m grateful to this “Magic M” piece of squat for bringing something to our attention in this forum – we have yet another example of the gaping holes in what little can be discerned in the much-censored, carefully “machined” history of America’s own Fascist Fraudulence, Barry Soetoro.

    ‘Cause he never did change his legal name back to “Barack Hussein Obama” after Mommy and Daddy Lolo got fed up with him and sent the miserable little Muslim schoolboy back to Hawaii to get him to hellangone out of their lives.

    • The Magic M

      > Suddenly, the “original birth certificate” wording disappears. Now it’s “original vital records,”

      You can never convince someone with a confirmation bias, he will always find something he considers “odd”.

      If Dr Fukino said “I have seen Barack Obama’s original birth certificate and can confirm he was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen”, you would critize she didn’t say that it’s the BC that states he was born in Hawaii.

      Heck, I’ve even seen birthers claim that because Dr Fukino said Obama is “a natural born American citizen”, by that she must have meant something different than “a natural born citizen” (in the sense of the Constitution). Gee, I wonder how she should pronounce the word “Citizen” so the capital C comes across properly, just so you don’t have something to complain about.

      Somehow you believe there is only a single choice of words, like a magic spell that may not be altered, that would convince you she actually meant what she actually meant.

      > gaping holes

      Your fascination with gaping holes and what comes out of it is something you have been talking about at length in this thread, no doubt.

      > it’s now fair to say that this “Magic M” heap of horsepuckey has never sat through (much less passed) a med school course in Medical Jurisprudence, or attended any of those CME risk mitigation seminars Dr.Fukino and I are obliged to take on regular bases

      Gee, you claim to be a doctor? Funny how little you must have learned about logic and proper reasoning. Is that how you treat your patients?
      “But doctor, I’m allergic to that.” – “Shut up you piece of bullcrap, you take this now!”

      On the contrary, I’ve got a PhD in maths (differential geometry, to be precise) and I think my postings show that logic and reasoning are no strangers to me. ;)

  • “The Magic M” load of crap (who claims now to have “a PhD in maths,” ’cause on the Internet nobody can tell whether a sucking POS really has a diploma on the wall or not) runs on and on about the two VERY carefully worded statements uttered by Hawaii state government bureaucrat medical doctor Chiyome Fukino in 2008 and 2009, wanting desperately to believe that its Anointed One, America’s own Mombasa Marxist, isn’t violating federal law simply by getting up in the middle of the night and squatting on the presidential can.

    Hawaii state law with regard to vital records had, at the time Stanley Ann dropped her by-blow off with her parents in Honolulu so that she could head for the mainland to resume college classes fifteen days postpartum (on her own, without parents or “husband” or any other family member to provide any kind of care or support while the stitches in her episiotomy were not yet resorbed, while uterine involution was not yet complete, while her lochia was still flowing, while she had not yet resumed menstruation, while her breasts were yet engorged, and while she was still at considerable risk of postpartum infection), any sort of signed attestation could be filed with the state offices in Honolulu as to the date and place of birth for an infant who had not been born in a hospital or otherwise under the care of a licensed health care provider.

    Jeez, with all its references to World Net Daily, you’d think that this “Magic M” cowflop would know about all that, wouldn’t you?

    Dr. Fukino, being a medico and not held to the standards to which a certified documents examiner or lawyer would have to adhere, could make a statement to the effect that she (personally) had “…seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.”

    She could do this (and probably did) knowing full well that if taken to task over the matter later, her defense would be “How was I supposed to know that the ‘original vital records’ accepted as having been filed in good faith by reputable citizens like Mr. and Mrs. Dunham were not adequate proofs that our Felon-in-Chief ‘…was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen,’ anyway?”

    And we get to see a nice photospread online – high-res JPG images, I hope – of Barry Soetoro in the orange jumpsuit he’ll be wearing for he rest of his life, kneeling in prayer just outside his cell in Guantanamo.

    Jeez, no wonder he hasn’t closed that prison. If he doesn’t get himself beyond extradition in another country, Gitmo is where Barry will be squirreled away until he finishes rotting, and he wants a nice, warm place to finish up in. The alternative is Alkatraz, and that place gets cold and damp much of the year.

    As for any “single choice of words, like a magic spell that may not be altered” with regard to Ms. Dunham’s Discard, let’s hear him say:

    “Here’s everything – everything on file in the Hawaii state government archives, totally open to examination and confirmation, no more stonewalling. Here’s my adoption papers from Indonesia, my Kindergarten records, my records from the Punahou School and Occidental and Columbia and Harvard Law. The full records of my law practice, my work as a ‘community organizer,’ my service in the Illinois state senate, EVERYTHING that I’ve been spending millions of dollars to conceal from scrutiny.”

    Of course, if the inferences already drawn about this lying sonofabitch are correct, and this “magic spell” proves that he fails to qualify as eligible under Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, he’s a lawyer specializing in constitutional law, and he committed this breach of the law in full knowledge of its nature and the severity of his criminal action.

    Ooh, lots and LOTS of indictments (and we’re not yet considering his co-conspirators), decades and decades of consecutive sentences, and a big “Null-And-Void” stamped over the National Socialist Democrat American Party for a long time to come. We’ve all known that they’re guilty of treason, but this certainly puts the glossy coat of wax on the proof thereof, doesn’t it?

    Oh, yeah. If this “Magic M” dose of doggy-doo wants to continue giving the false impression that he’s an American speaking on a subject of proper concern among those of us who are citizens and taxpayers, he ought to get a clue about the fact that Americans don’t use the Brit-speak expression “maths” when we’re talking about “mathematics.”

    You wanna cop a clue, maybe? Nah!

    • The Magic M

      > Here’s my adoption papers from Indonesia, my Kindergarten records, my records from the Punahou School and Occidental and Columbia and Harvard Law. The full records of my law practice, my work as a ‘community organizer,’

      Why would he have to produce that, given that no other president ever did that, let alone have to do that? Can you name one former president who showed us all these papers? Where can I see them?

      > wants to continue giving the false impression that he’s an American

      Where have I done this and why would I do that? You haven’t noticed the little German flag next to my handle?

      Are you going to continue the “if I don’t have any argument, let’s go ad hominem” by telling me my arguments don’t have any value because I’m not American? Is that how you weasel out of an unwinnable case?

      > Americans don’t use the Brit-speak expression “maths” when we’re talking about “mathematics.”

      Hm, maybe I’m an American raised in the UK, but probably that would also somehow affect any “natural born” status I might have, right?

      But thanks for the involuntary compliment; if that’s the only thing telling you I can’t be American, I can proudly confess I’m not even a native speaker. Go figure…

      > Barry Soetoro in the orange jumpsuit he’ll be wearing for he rest of his life

      *lol* Keep on dreaming. I prefer to stay in the real world where such pesky things as “facts” seem to always get in the way of the birther babblings.

      > any sort of signed attestation could be filed with the state offices in Honolulu as to the date and place of birth for an infant who had not been born in a hospital or otherwise under the care of a licensed health care provider

      Arguendo, since when does home birth disqualify a president? Did it disqualify Eisenhower? Have you seen Bush’s birth certificate? Does it state whether he was born in a hospital or is simply based on attestation by the parent(s)?

      > with all its references to World Net Daily, you’d think that this “Magic M” cowflop would know about all that

      I know about the crap that birthers spout, I just don’t talk all that crap as “fact” as you seem to do. Have you ever actually researched any of the birther claims such as the alleged “1981 Pakistan travel ban”?

  • The Kraut flag next to the pretentious “Magic M” bullpuckey nickname means that wherever it’s composting, it is NOT in a venue where our Mombasa Marxist Messiah can directly “spread the wealth around.”

    “The Magic M” (regretting that registration yet, you smoldering dungheap?) is therefore much less proximally invested in the proper concerns of a U.S. citizen. That being the case, questions of constitutional qualification (for example) which are peculiar to the civil government of these United States are alien to this bowel-movement-that-types.

    For example, this “Magic M” mound of public nuisance writes: “Why would he have to produce that, given that no other president ever did that, let alone have to do that? Can you name one former president who showed us all these papers? Where can I see them?”

    This means that “The Magic M” unpetrified coprolite-to-be has failed to pay any attention whatsoever to the 2008 U.S. presidential election, because before submitting himself as a potential candidate for the Republican Party nomination, Senator John McCain (Republican, Arizona) dumped EVERYTHING of that nature – his birth records, his medical records, his military records as a naval aviator, everything – in front of the U.S. Senate and thus the people of these United States for examination.

    Crash Test Johnnie (as I believe has been mentioned here) had been born in the Panama Canal Zone while his father had been on active duty assignment there as a serving naval officer. Extraordinary circumstances. Most native born American citizens take their first breath of life on American soil, and there’s no possibility of controversy.

    Diplomatic and military personnel (and their dependents) on duty in foreign stations are considered to be in the service of the nation, and their children do not suffer impairment as the result of that service.

    Y’see, an American – somebody who’s been in the U.S. military or who has had close family experienced in military and/or diplomatic service – would know that right away, and would have taken special note of what the Red Party’s Enemy Ace had to go through to prove himself qualified to stand as the Republican candidate in a presidential election.

    The U.S. Senate (also as mentioned) unanimously approved Sen. McCain’s “natural born citizen” status.

    But they got to see EVERYTHING.

    Now we come to Sen. Obama (National Socialist, Chicago Machine), whose parents had both been zooming about all over the world, who REFUSES to produce anything like those records dumped ceremoniously upon the U.S. Senate by John McCain.

    Barry Soetoro – who got adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia, complete to a legal name change which our Mombasa Mamzer has never reversed – has an even more extraordinary personal past history than has Sen. McCain.

    Fascinating story. Brought as a child to Indonesia, where he had to learn not only Indonesian but also Arabic (about the equivalent of a Roman Catholic kid having to learn church Latin back in the days before the Second Vatican Council) in order to recite from the Qu’ran as a “good Muslim schoolboy,” then shipped from Indonesia by Stanley Ann and Lolo Soetoro to live with his Dunham grandparents (why?), to attend the prestigious Punahou School (how was that paid for?), to get his undergraduate degree at Occidental College in California (under “foreign student” scholarship funding, perhaps?), to travel to Pakistan (any records of a U.S. passport having been issued at that time?), to go later to Harvard Law (and who picked up THAT tuition bill?)….

    All of this, by the way, without Barry ever once having disclosed any history of student loans of any kind, as he had been required by law to do when he entered the U.S. Senate. No records at all.

    Okay, we’ve got ex-Navy “Bad Boy” John McCain, a naval aviator who got himself shot down over North Vietnam and spent agonizing years in Commie captivity, a pretty complete RINO whom most American conservatives received as a Red Party nominee in 2008 with about as much enthusiasm as the average eight-year-old boy getting a package of sweatsox for his birthday, but – what the hell – at least he understood that his birth in the Panama Canal Zone required that he establish his bona fides as a “natural born citizen.”

    And then we’ve got Sen. Obama, with an EXTREMELY strange personal and family past history, spending (to date) an estimated two million dollars in lawyers’ fees to prevent anybody from getting any kind of look at the same types of records Sen. McCain had simply handed over to the U.S. Senate a few years ago.

    Knowing that this “Magic M” crapulence is “not even a native speaker” of the American language, we might perhaps cut it a break. Stupidity compounded by ignorance explains much, even if it excuses nothing.

    But now we can expect “The Magic M” – being clearly shown to know precisely dick about what’s being discussed here – to shut up and get on with the process of subsiding into something useful, like fertilizer. Right?

    As for “home birth,” this stinking mound of filth doesn’t even know that Barry Soetoro is on record (signed his name to the letter, ‘n everything) as having been born in the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu.

    See http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=104146

    He wrote (on White House stationary yet): “As a beneficiary of the excellence of the Kapi’olani Medical Center – the place of my birth – I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters.”

    I continue grateful for the referral to World Net Daily. They aggregate the most remarkable compilation of information on this subject.

    So our Fraudulence-in-Chief did not share “home birth” with Dwight David Eisenhower, but claimed to have been born in the Kapi’olani Medical Center.

    Where there are no records concerning Barry or his mother – none of any kind – to be found.

    Extraordinary, ain’t it?

  • The Magic M

    > because before submitting himself as a potential candidate for the Republican Party nomination, Senator John McCain (Republican, Arizona) dumped EVERYTHING

    You didn’t answer my question. I said “previous president”, not “presidential candidate”.

    Besides, why do you think Congress investigated McCain but not Obama? The “big conspiracy” again? And McCain didn’t bring up the Obama issue himself, although that would’ve handed him the presidency? Because he was also “in on the conspiracy”?

    > at least he understood that his birth in the Panama Canal Zone required that he establish his bona fides as a “natural born citizen.”

    The problem with McCain was that he wasn’t even born on US territory, e.g. a US base in the Canal Zone.

    > As for “home birth,” this stinking mound of filth doesn’t even know that Barry Soetoro is on record (signed his name to the letter, ‘n everything) as having been born in the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu.

    I didn’t say he was born at home. Do you not understand what “arguendo” means? Do I have to teach you your own language?

    > Knowing that this “Magic M” crapulence is “not even a native speaker” of the American language, we might perhaps cut it a break.

    Maybe we should, but rather based on your illiteracy. Or what is “the American language” that you pretend to speak? American English is not even “the North American language”, you illiterate buffoon, but you’ve probably never heard of Canada, let alone been there.

    > Where there are no records concerning Barry or his mother – none of any kind – to be found.

    Only in the dreamland of World Nut Daily which can spin a “we have his records on file” to a “we can’t find anything”. Soviet Russian propaganda style, right?

    > we’ve got ex-Navy “Bad Boy” John McCain, a naval aviator who got himself shot down over North Vietnam and spent agonizing years in Commie captivity

    Yup, and you birthers are calling *Obama* a Manchurian Candidate? Funny.

  • Proving yet again that no matter how conscientiously forked, a manure pile still stinks up the joint, “The Magic M” reveals its complete lack of familiarity with “certain salient differences between the English of England and the English of America as practically spoken and written – differences in vocabulary, in syntax, in the shade and habits of idiom, and even, coming to the common speech, in grammar.” (Mencken, preface to the first edition) [1]

    The fourth edition – considered “an almost new work” (McDavid) – was uttered in 1936, with supplements published in 1945 and 1948. Continuing in print to this day, The American Language remains the foundation work in the field of American philology. Only an illiterate alien with no knowledge of American culture could fail to understand the reference to this study and the concept of the American language as one separate and distinct from the “standard English” of the United Kingdom.

    So, yeah, this “Magic M” product of a diseased dog’s digestion knows precisely dick about what’s going on in these United States. Like we needed more proof?

    As I’d pointed out, the personal and family past history of Barry Soetoro differs radically from that of any other candidate for the office of President of these United States (and remember, folks, it’s not only in taking up the duties of the federal government’s chief executive but beforehand – in his CANDIDACY in each and every one of our several states – that someone standing for that office must sign an attestation as to his or her qualification to serve in that office if elected).

    In Sen. McCain’s case, whether or not a U.S. citizen on foreign service is delivered of a viable infant on “on US territory, e.g. a US base” is of no matter with regard to that child’s status as a “natural born citizen.” Embassies and consulates do not contain labor and delivery facilities, and yet the offspring of U.S. State Department personnel born in hospitals outside embassy enclaves are accorded by law no impairment in their citizenship status.

    Which this “Magic M” colon-blow just can’t seem to get through whatever it uses in lieu of a brain.

    By the way, “a US base” is not in law considered “US territory.” With all those USAREUR Kasernen and patrol areas and training facilities scattered all over Germany since the days of the Bundesrepublik, you’d think that even a stupid schmuck like this “Magic M” bucketful would know that, wouldn’tcha?

    Well, never underestimate the stupidity of an obamaphile.

    Almost as amusing is this “Magic M” Scheisskopf’s presumption that those of us aware of the flagrant criminality of the Punahou Poverty Pimp have ever reposed any trust whatsoever in the perspicacity or diligence of Crash Test Johnnie, the RINO Enemy Ace.

    (For the sake of squirt-between-the-ears, who knows even less about American idiom than he does about American law, the term “enemy ace” refers to a flier in the U.S. military who has had five or more aircraft destroyed while entrusted to his responsibility as pilot-in-command. Sen. McCain has personally removed five tail numbers from the Navy BuAer inventory, and thus qualifies.)

    The motto of the Red Party has for so long been “Go along to get along” that the spectacle of elections in this nation have taken on the same significance as the contests in professional wrestling.

    Hm. Seems as if this “Magic M” strunzo is actually stupid enough to think that I’m a Republican.

    It is not the responsibility in law for a political campaign (or candidate) to vet the character of an opponent, nor is it expected that such an action can or will be reliably undertaken in an electoral contest. Indeed, the common time-honored practice of campaigners is to lie through their teeth in assassinating the character of such opponents.

    The incompetent weasels running the McCain campaign definitely considered attacking Hairplug Joe’s “articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy” on the matter of Barry’s birth in Mombasa and decided that there was more downside to it than the Red Party could afford. Same thing in the Congress, of course.

    Oh, yeah. In the Congress. Like people on this side of the Atlantic repose a whole lot of confidence in our “distinctly native American criminal class.”

    Does this “Magic M” diaperload HAVE to keep on proving that he knows absolutely nothing about life in these United States, and that only a complete bloody fool could persevere in the witless support of that fascist foreign fraud we’re presently using in lieu of a lawful President of these United States?

    Yep.

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    [1] http://www.bartleby.com/185/

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