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King Tut’s DNA is Western European


Despite the refusal of the Secretary General of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities, Zahi Hawass, to release any DNA results which might indicate the racial ancestry of Pharaoh Tutankhamen, the leaked results reveal that King Tut’s DNA is a 99.6 percent match with Western European Y chromosomes.

The DNA test results were inadvertently revealed on a Discovery Channel TV documentary filmed with Hawass’s permission — but it seems as if the Egyptian failed to spot the giveaway part of the documentary which revealed the test results.

Hawass previously announced that he would not release the racial DNA results of Egyptian mummies — obviously because he feared the consequences of such a revelation.

On the Discovery Channel broadcast, which can be seen on the Discovery Channel website here, or if they pull it, on YouTube here, at approximately 1:53 into the video, the camera pans over a printout of DNA test results from King Tut.

Firstly, here is a brief explanation of the results visible in the video. It is a list of what is called Short Tandem Repeats (STRs).

STRs are repeated DNA sequences which are “short repeat units” whose characteristics make them especially suitable for human identification.

These STR values for 17 markers visible in the video are as follows:
DYS 19 – 14 (? not clear)
DYS 385a – 11
DYS 385b – 14
DYS 389i – 13
DYS 389ii – 30
DYS 390 – 24
DYS 391 – 11
DYS 392 – 13
DYS 393 – 13
DYS 437 – 14 (? not clear)
DYS 438 – 12
DYS 439 – 10
DYS 448 – 19
DYS 456 – 15
DYS 458 – 16
DYS 635 – 23
YGATAH4 – 11

What does this mean? Fortunately, a genius by the name of Whit Athey provides the key to this list. Mr Athey is a retired physicist whose working career was primarily at the Food and Drug Administration where he was chief of one of the medical device labs.

Mr Athey received his doctorate in physics and biochemistry at Tufts University, and undergraduate (engineering) and masters (math) degrees at Auburn University. For several years during the 1980s, he also taught one course each semester in the electrical engineering department of the University of Maryland. Besides his interest in genetic genealogy, he is an amateur astronomer and has his own small observatory near his home in Brookeville, MD.

He also runs a very valuable website called the “Haplogroup Predictor” which allows users to input STR data and generate the haplogroup which marks those STR data.

For those who want to know what a haplogroup is, here is a “simple” definition: a haplogroup is a group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor with a single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) mutation.

Still none the wiser? Damn these scientists.

Ok, let’s try it this way: a haplotype is a combination of multiple specific locations of a gene or DNA sequence on a chromosome.

Haplogroups are assigned letters of the alphabet, and refinements consist of additional number and letter combinations, for example R1b or R1b1. Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA haplogroups have different haplogroup designations. In essence, haplogroups give an inisight into ancestral origins dating back thousands of years.

By entering all the STR data inadvertently shown on the Discovery video, a 99.6 percent fit with the R1b haplogroup is revealed.

The significance is, of course, that R1b is the most common Y-chromosome haplogroup in Europe reaching its highest concentrations in Ireland, Scotland, western England and the European Atlantic seaboard — in other words, European through and through.

So much for the Afro-centrists and others who have derided the very obvious northwestern European appearance of a large number of the pharonic mummies. It seems like March of the Titans was right after all…

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  1. CN United States says:

    TP

    You must be BRAIN dead – I answered all your questions, gave you links with detailed explanations – the only other reason you do NOT understand, is because it is beyond your comprehension level – educate your self.

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    • Qua Watkins United States says:

      You guys do know this DNA finding has been debunked, King TutankhAmon is Sub-saharan African. Go to DNA tribes.com, the builders of HER-EM-AKHET, and the Great Pyramids Khufu, Khafre and Menkaure.

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    • draconiansdevil@gmail.com United States says:

      I didn’t believe in evolution until I read this page. The writer is apparently related to the missing link. What do you get when a female leprechaun marries a pigmy? Apparently King Tut. I wonder if they celebrated St. Patricks Day? Did he speak with an Irish accent? Are there any four leaf clovers or Lucy Charms hieroglyphics?
      With all that slave labor I knew they had to be white! lmao

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  2. TP United States says:

    CN..

    I got this message in my email and now I am posting it here with my rebuttle.

    You said

    Let me say it as simply as possible so you can comprehend it – Indo European Aryan White (Europeans) and Arabs Semitic Whites are two DIFFERENT ethnic groups

    Answer

    Any retard with an IQ above 75 can see I have never said anything different. There are 3 major racial groups in the world and then many different sub racial groups comprised underneath them. Shem- white folks. Japeth- Asiatics. Ham- Black folks. Although Arabs and Europeans are related, both coming from Shem to Abraham, they are indeed different sub racial groups. Arabs come from Ishmael (Are you going to deny that genius?) who comes from Abraham. Europeans/whites from Abraham, Isaac, Jacob- the 12/13 tribes of Israel. The so called Jews come from Japeth to Ashkenaz and Sephardics who are named after Mount Sephar- the home of the Esau-Idumea-Cannanites who later became non ethnic citizens of old Judea under King Hycranus.

    You said

    Europeans are NOT Semites, Semites are NOT Europeans – do you understand?

    Answer

    Yes I understand I am dealing with a total incompetant who cannot see the racial similarities in European whites and Arab whites distinguishing them from blacks from Ham or Asiatics from Japeth. I also understand that do you do not have ANY PROOF FOR YOUR ASSETIONS WHATSOEVER, YET WE HAVE THE PROOF RIGHT HERE IN THE DNA FINDINGS THAT SHOW WITHOUT A DOUBT, King Tut and Western European peoples have the highest match of anyone else on the planet. Why? As I keep stating over and over, Western European peoples are from Jacob/Israel and two of the ruling tribes in this day and age are Ephriam and Manassah- who are half white Egyptian and half white Israelite being that Joseph (their Dad) married an Egyptian high priestess. I have stated over and over giving archeological, linguistic, genetic, historical and biblical evidence the travels of these Israelites once they got kicked out of the land around 721 BC, finally entering Europe through the Caucasion Mountains around 550-600 BC.

    You said

    TRANSLATION – King Tut was ARAB Semitic White, NOT, Indo European Aryan White.

    Answer

    Translation- This fake Jew HAS NO EVIDENCE and yet keeps claiming total abserdities. I am absolutely convinced CN is pretending he is an Arab white while continuing to claim the Egyptians where Arabs from Ishmael when even their own Koran, their own history, archeology and genetic realities by way of DNA tests show this is not the case.

    You said

    You must be BRAIN dead – I answered all your questions, gave you links with detailed explanations – the only other reason you do NOT understand, is because it is beyond your comprehension level – educate your self.

    Answer

    Your a pathological liar! For everyone’s well being I am outting this fake Jew who claims to be an Arab white as a agent provocature, who is most likely right now eating a tofu bagel in Tel Aviv being given a full ride scholarship for posting Israeli propaganda designed to drum up hatred for the “Jews” enemies, the Arab Muslims, in the ME among European/white folks.

    If anyone doubts this I encourage you to read our correspondence above in detail. His Neo Bolshevik fake Jew Zionist tactics are plainly evident.

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    • CN United States says:

      TP

      You are soooo far off base, it is hopeless.FIRST European Whites have NO Semitic Haplomarkers (see my previous answers I REPEATEDLY provided you). Sephardi and Ashkenazim Jews are generally considered EUROPEANS – INDIGENOUS to Europe, NOT the ME – considered NON Semitic, by religious conversion Jews. Mizrahi are Semitic White Jews. Best you stick with your own heritage history.

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  3. Mark United States says:

    LOL..TP is so thorough with his “facts”…one would almost be fooled into thinking he was NOT, in fact, an idiot. I am so glad I discovered this paper. It is absolutely hilarious…as are any readers who take it seriously. LOL

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    • TP United States says:

      Mark,

      Put your money where your mouth is and SHOW me where I am wrong. If not, you’e simply engaged in petty demonizations for lack of intelligent retort.

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    • CN United States says:

      TP

      Surely you can tell BillCosby – Black American, does NOT look like Hamie Farr, Arab (Semitic White) American. John Lovitze Jewish Semitic White looks more like Jamie Farr because they are Semitic White – NOW, the Late Anwar Sadat was mixed – Arab Semitic White father, Black Sudanese mother – Iman also had an Arab Semitic White father – Black Sudanese mother,Lyla Kebede had an Arab Semitic White father, Black Ethiopian mother, Bridgett Gabriel (alias)had an Arab Semitic White Father, Black Ethiopian mother – NOW, by religious conversion to Judaism – Tom Arnold – European Heritage, the late Sammy Davis Jr – Black, and, Puerto Rican heritage, and, the late Nell Carter – Black Heritage. King Tut looks most like a Semitic White heritage – King Khafre looks Caucasian.

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  4. TP United States says:

    … you dip sh-t..read what is there and if you have any dispute AT ALL, you must tell us because as it stands, anyone who has any type of scientific mind is laughing their assn off about U. Look, dude, like i said before, U got a problem? Name it and stop being the biggest pussy ever….k?

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  5. CN United States says:

    TP

    Your logic is,quite simply – FLAWED.

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    • TP United States says:

      CN,

      Ya right and that is why YOU CANT point to where I am wrong. You simply keep stating that Egyptians are from Ishmael which is complete and utter nonsense and you have ZERO proof to back that up.

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  6. TK United Kingdom says:

    =)) exactly TP shut up already no 1 is taking you seriously and enought with the conspiracy theory

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    • TP United States says:

      TK,

      No one is taking me seriously huh? And exactly when did you take a vote, then being elected to speak for everyone who has posted on this board?

      Let me key you into reality outside your fairyland world where monkeys ride pigs and all is as it seems it should be: SHOW ME WHERE I AM WRONG and then present some type of EVIDENCE to back up your counter claim. If you, like the other dolts above, refuse to do so, you’re simple admitting that you are a HYPOCRITE judging me things that YOU are actively engaged in as you try and demonize your opposition because you have nothing intelligent in which to oppose what I say.

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  7. CN United States says:

    TP

    King Tut was Arab Semitic White – R1b originates in the ME.Yes as in from Ishmael.

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  8. TP United States says:

    CN,

    Here you go again making statements without ANY proof- exactly what I said you kept doing before.

    King Tut has genetic markers that are closer to US WHITE/EUROPEANS. in fact, 99.6% match for f-ck sake!

    Where is your proof to say Tut was an Arab from Ishamel? YOU DONT HAVE ANY- THATS WHERE!

    R1b does INDEED originate in the ME and WE the white/European peoples and nations LIVED IN THE ME.Just because Ishmael Arabs have stayed in the same place relatively DOES NOT MEAN EVERYONE, OR THAT WE DID. Can you get these facts through your head? Yes or no?

    Here are the facts to which I have posted a series of links providing the evidence.

    1.The Egyptians came from Eber NOT Abraham both of whom are descended from Shem

    3.The 12/13 tribes of Israel went into Egypt during the famine.

    4They stayed there many generations.

    5.Joseph was sold to Ishmaelites who SOLD Joseph to the Egyptians.

    6. Joseph married an EGYPTIAN PRIEST and his sons (Ephriam and Manassah) are Egyptian Semetic and Abraham Semetic

    7.The 12/13 tribes left Egypt and formed the nation of Israel that eventually split into two nations called Judea and Israel.

    8. Between 745 and 721 BC the northern tribes of REAL Israel were conqured by the Assyrian and they were carried as far east as India, China, Northern Iran.

    9. The 10 tribes of the Israelites with some of Levi with them broke away from the Asyrians and most went through the CAUCASION mountains. To this day, where they entered is called Israels pass by the locals.

    10. They flooded into an almost empty Europe around 600 BC.

    11. They were still heaped in their paganism which got them booted from the land in the first place.

    12. They were known by the Romans as the Saxons (Isaac’s sons), the franks, the celts,angelos,vandels, jutes (Judah), goths (Gad)etc etc.

    13. The “gods” they worshipped in paganism correspond EXACTLY to those “dieties” they worshipped in the ME from where they came.

    14. As prophesied, they returned to their creator/savior beginning when Christ Jesus came, die and was resurrected.

    15 They lost their identities during their paganism

    16. This is what formed Christendom.

    17. We spread to the four corners of the earth as prophesied forming the white/Christian nations

    18. It is also prophesied we will return to the land where Christ returns with 144,000, 12,000 of each tribe, to destroy the fake Jews and their fake “Israeli” state which is planned to be their NWO Government with their coming anti messiah to rule it for a short time.

    19 Christ then plants his kingdom on top of the old kingdom

    20.We then enter the next earth age.

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  9. TP United States says:

    I tried to post this 2 times above but for whatever reason it would not post or even show it needed to be moderated.

    TK,

    1. Judaites are from the tribes of Israel and are whites.
    2. The Esau citizens of Judea were not ethnic Judaites. These people are called the Sepharics today and they mixed with the Canannites whom I assume had some black genetics from Ham in them.
    3. Black “Jews” never lived in Egypt and the Esau Jews 2000 years admitted this.
    4. Judaites and Israelites of the 12/13 tribes of Israel did live in Egypt in the northern lands. They came to Egypt during the famine and lived there many generations.
    5. The earliest Egyptians, as in those who settled and created Egypt were whites from Eber who came from Shem.
    6. The Egyptians defeated the black Nubians of the south, enslaved them and also absorbed them into Egypt
    7. After the 12/13 tribes of Israel left Egypt through the Red Sea,the black Nubians of Egypt became part of the mainstream Egyptian society by way of mixing. This changed the character of Egypt and also marked the decline of the superpower to a simple regional power from which they never recovered
    8. Your links with the DNA evidence you put forth completely validate my claims.

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  10. TP United States says:

    TK

    Here is a link that lays out further evidence of what I said above.

    http://www.saveyourheritage.com/ancient_egypt.htm

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  11. Gary Taiwan; Republic of China (ROC) says:

    And CN, you’d be hard pressed to find any southern Europeans who would consider themselves in any way Arab or Semetic or even want to be associated with them.

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    • CN United States says:

      Gary

      Sputhern Europeans LOOK like Arabs – I did NOT say they were, BUT since you broughtit up, many Southern Europeans have some Semitic White (Arab, and, Mizrahi) heritage, even a tinge of Sub Saharan heritage.

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  12. Tk United Kingdom says:

    TP
    1. Judaites are from the tribes of Israel and are whites.So jacob was white from where if I may ask and jews aren’t white what’s your point here exactly

    2. The Esau citizens of Judea were not ethnic Judaites. These people are called the Sepharics today and they mixed with the Canannites whom I assume had some black genetics from Ham in them. No one said the children of Esau were the Jews

    The Egyptians came from Eber NOT Abraham both of whom are descended from Shem wrong mizraim which is egypt son of Ham

    3. Black “Jews” never lived in Egypt and the Esau Jews 2000 years admitted this.And who told you this black Jews who is a jew in d 1st place any of Abrahams children or Jacob thought jews were from the 12 tribes of isreal

    4. Judaites and Israelites of the 12/13 tribes of Israel did live in Egypt in the northern lands. They came to Egypt during the famine and lived there many generations. As I said where did u get this from because no archealogical or written evidence to back this except your bible

    5. The earliest Egyptians, as in those who settled and created Egypt were whites from Eber who came from Shem again mizriam is the son of Ham I just wonder how you managed to put him as the founder of isreal

    6. The Egyptians defeated the black Nubians of the south, enslaved them and also absorbed them into Egypt please where is the evidence of this Egyptians wrote and drew that they came from punt southeast the Egyptians and nubians have always been where they were . Egypt and Nubia have been two different nations

    7. After the 12/13 tribes of Israel left Egypt through the Red Sea,the black Nubians of Egypt became part of the mainstream Egyptian society by way of mixing.Wrong again egypt has been there long before the predecessor of your isreal was born Even Abraham and sarah wnt to Egypt .Ishmael son of Abraham was from Hagaar an egyptian slave woman.Egypt and Nubia different nations
    Isrealites if they wre ever in Egypt were slaves not rulers so their going would have no impact on Egypt or nubia

    This changed the character of Egypt and also marked the decline of the superpower to a simple regional power from which they never recovered and where did you get this information because different kings still conquered lands the 17th and 18th dynasty conquered the most foreign land except they are the supposd isrealities
    Please present concrete evidence not bible bed time stories . The bible is a credible source for historical facts more than half of the people have no evidence of their existence

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    • TP United States says:

      You said: So jacob was white from where if I may ask and jews aren’t white what’s your point here exactly.

      Answer:Jacob was from Isaac who was from Abraham who was from Shems lines. Today’s “Jews” are the maternal remnant of the Roman slaughter around 135 AD from Esau who mixed with the Canaanites called the Sephardics (from mount Sephar in Edom) who were non native ethnic citizens of Judea starting around 250 BC. The second group of modern fake Jews are the Ashkenaz (Genesis 10:3) from the Khazar Kingdom who converted to Judaism by way of Esau fake Jews around 800 AD.
      “Edom (Esau) is modern Jewry.” – “Encyclopaedica Judaica”, 1925

      “Strictly speaking it is INCORRECT to call an Ancient Israelite a Jew or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.” (1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3).

      The late Rabbi Stephen F. Wise, formerly the Chief Rabbi of the United States said, “The return from Babylon and the introduction of the Babylonian Talmud mark the end of Hebrewism and the beginning of Judaism.”

      You said: And who told you this black Jews who is a jew in d 1st place any of Abrahams children or Jacob thought jews were from the 12 tribes of isreal.

      Answer: You claim that blacks are from Ham which I do not dispute but anyone can check and see that the dominion and fruitfulness mandates were passed from Adam down to Noah to Shem to Eber to Abraham, to Isaac to Jacob (Esau gets ruling authority by way of tyranny, war and bloodshed at the end of each earth age). The 12 tribes of Israel come from Jacob but they are not all from Judah or the kingdom of Judah which is 2/3 tribes of the 12/13. Ham, blacks are NOT in this lineage because they are not from Shem.

      You said; wrong mizraim which is Egypt son of Ham

      Answer: Egypt was separated into two regions. The north is where the Israelies from Shem lived when they arrived during the famine. Those from Eber also lived mainly in the north. During their history a few Arab shemites also lived but to the east and the south is where THOSE FROM HAM (Nubians) live after the white Egyptians hand conquered them. The DNA evidence PROVES THIS because TUT was WAY before Ramses III who ruled during the decline and the intermixing that followed between Hamites and those from Eber (Egyptian Semites).

      You said: As I said where did u get this from because no archealogical or written evidence to back this except your bible

      Answer:

      http://www.wyattmuseum.com/ http://godssecret.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/archeological-biblical-proofs-0f-joseph-in-egypt-exodus-and-first-temple-period/

      You said: again mizriam is the son of Ham I just wonder how you managed to put him as the founder of isreal

      Answer:
      I never disputed mizriam is from Ham and that these are blacks from Nubia to the south of Egypt who later were absorbed into Egypt after the Israelites left, marking the decline of Egypt. I also never claimed that Ham started Israel- that is out of your mouth, not mine.

      You said: please where is the evidence of this Egyptians wrote and drew that they came from punt southeast the Egyptians and nubians have always been where they were . Egypt and Nubia have been two different nations

      Answer: I gave the evidence you requested in my other post to you. Yes, Nubia and Egypt started as different nations and the black numbians from Ham were defeated, later absorbed into Egypt and this is why later Egyptians and NOT early Egyptians have black DNA as both your link on DNA proves and this article in the EUTIMES proves.

      As to your last two assertions and questions I refer you above to the links I provided.

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  13. TK United Kingdom says:

    And what does all this have to do with tut being european. And that DNA result has been dismissed by everyone even the team on the project . The only company to carry out DNA tests on him was DNA tribes and he has no european link has more affinities with Black Africa.Please do your research

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    • TP United States says:

      TK,
      My response to your rebuttle above has been submitted and is in moderation right now due to the two links I gave for evidence, for your persual.

      Oh, on the contrary; I HAVE DONE my research but your ilk is trying to hide the evidence which this article as well as the other archeological evidence I provided shows without a doubt. See, listen and learn. You CANNOT beat the truth. You will lose horribly in the end and you can take that comment to the bank.

      As I have said time and time again, Joseph married an Egyptian priestess from Shemite/Eber origin and produced the tribes of Ephriam and Manassah who are Egyptian-Eber-Semites and Abraham, Isaac- Jacob- Jospeh Semites. This is the link to the western European peoples of the tribes of Israel. Ephriam and Manassah have ruling authority over the 12/13 tribes of Israel since Shilo (Messiah) came and removed it from Judah and Levi for this paticular age.

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  14. TK United Kingdom says:

    And what kind of link did you post as evidence mehn just show ur very ignorant you and the person thet wrote that blog are jobless uneducated and ignorant hope you know the spinx before they defaced it had typical negroid features and the culture of egypt started from Nubia not egypt you are seriously jobless

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    • TP United States says:

      TK,

      1. The links I posted WERE NOT FROM A BLOG, but one is a group dedicated to preservation of white-anglo/saxon heritage, the others are archeological sites that provide massive amounts of proofs to back up my claims. They on that paticular site provide physical archeological evidence to support my claim.
      2. Stop being a slandering hypocrite! Your two links would NEVER you provided ANYONE can verify by simply clicking them. They are a BLOG and the other link is from Wikipedia BOTH of which are not accepted at accredited Universities for citations.
      I did however, accept your DNA conclusions but showed that they support my contentions and not yours.

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      • tk United Kingdom says:

        TP
        Your either braindead or brainwashed I cnt believe some one can believe so much in something so ridiculous.God help you its as bad as saying the original jews were black would like to see you argue with someone like that

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        • TP United States says:

          TK,

          1. Learn to write english properly. It is almost impossible to converse with someone who cannot in any scholarly way. You must capitalize the first word of each sentence and put a period at the end of a sentance showing you are starting a new sentence- for starters!
          2. You call me “braindead or brainwashed” but provide NO evidence to show I am wrong and the evidence you do provide are from a blog and wikipedia where I have provided anglo/saxon heritage sites with archeological evidence and also Egyptian archeological excavation site links which provide evidence too.
          3.Stop being a hypocrite and a liar. You claimed the “original jews were blacks” NOT ME. Here are your words exactly “Because all your facts are wrong egyptians were black jews are jews deyve done DNA test on the armana mummys and RamesesIII” To this you gave your blog DNA evidence and wikipedia both of which are not allowed in any scholarly review papers ANYWHERE.
          4. I did accept your “evidence” and showed that this fits with the fact that black nubians lived to the south of Egypt at first in their own nation. Then they were defeated by the whites from Shem in Egypt and then absorbed so of course we would find black numbian DNA in mummies in DECLINING EGYPT but you cannot show any PHAROAH evidence for blacks and neither can CN show ANY evidence for PHAROAH DNA in EARLY, ORIGINAL Egypt before the white Israelites left and white Egypt fell to race mixing marking their decline. If you have any evidence to show that the earliest Egyptians were from Nubia, blacks- from Ham, SHOW IT FOR GODS SAKE or kindly, shut your slandering, hypocritical mouth.
          5. The term “Jew” was INVENTED by the Esau/edomites/Canannite “Jews” and their Ashkenaz converts about 400 YEARS ago.
          “the Greek word which is translated as ‘Jews’ is, in Strong’s Concordance, the word (2453) Ioudaios, meaning “belonging to the tribe of Judah,” and the word (2455) Ioudas, meaning the posterity of Judah. Interestingly, there is a related word, word number 2451, Ioudaikos, which is translated as “resembling a Judean, Jewish.” To “resemble” someone is not the same as being someone. One who resembles can easily impersonate the real thing. Since we must always distinguish between the real thing and something which resembles the real thing, we must have different words for these objects. Unfortunately, the word ‘Jews’ has been used for both groups.” -Eli James

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          • tk United Kingdom says:

            Yeah rite I don’t write proper english buh I do know how to read and I understand when something is fact or fiction , reality or fantasy you can’t say that about.I find your hypothesis similar to that of the black jews who feel they are indeed the real jews who migrated from egypt to West Africa and were taken to America via the slave trade and trust me would really love to see one of them take you on

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    • TP United States says:

      CORRECTION:

      2. Stop being a slandering hypocrite! Your two links you provided ANYONE can verify by simply clicking them. They are a BLOG and the other link is from Wikipedia BOTH of which are not accepted at accredited Universities for citations.
      I did however, accept your DNA conclusions but showed that they support my contentions and not yours.

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  15. TP United States says:

    TK

    1.I ignore your crappy english and even use your own unscholarly “evidence” when making my case.
    2. You on the other hand ignore DNA evidence, archeological evidence and scholarly information on the grounds YOUR IN VIOLATION OF, which makes you a HYPOCRITE.
    3.My claim is NOT like the blacks who also falsely claim to be those ethnically from Judah. You want to know why? Because the archeological evidence, lingustic evidence, historical evidence all backs up the Septuigant (original OT which is not the “Jews” invented Masoretic texts of about 1000 BC) account of what happened to the 12/13 tribes of REAL ISRAEL-JUDAH. I provided above DIRECT QUOTES from authoritative so called “Jewish” sources that ADMIT they are not real hebrews, Israelites or Judaites!

    Consider the following

    Christianity: Judaism:

    Paternal Descent Maternal Descent

    Original OT and NT Babylonian Talmud

    Jesus is the Messiah Denies Jesus

    Forgiveness Revenge

    Circumcision of the heart/Circumcision of the foreskin

    Personal relationship with God/Rabbis dictate
    the letter of the religion

    Usury forbidden Usury, par excellence

    Homosexuality forbidden Homosexuality acceptable

    Incest forbidden Incest acceptable

    Anti-Communist Pro-Communist

    Truth Hypocrisy

    Open Testimony, light Behind-the-scenes, darkness

    Love and Compassion Chauvinism and Contempt

    Personal sacrifice Tribal ambition

    The “Law and the Prophets” The “traditions of men”

    Conversion by persuasion Zionism and communism

    Do these 21 prophesies fit the so called Jews or the white/European/Christian peoples and nations now at the four corners of the earth?

    1. Israel to Continue as a Nation Before Yahweh Forever (Gen 17:1-7)
    2. Israel to Become a Great and Mighty Nation (Gen 18:18), (Deut 26:19)
    3. Israel to Become a Vast Multitude of People (Gen13:16, 15:5)
    4. Israel to Become a Multitude of Nations (Gen 35:10-11, 48:19)
    5. Israel to Rule Over Other Nations (Deut 15:6, 28:13)
    6. Israel to Be Feared By All Nations (Deut 2:25, 33:29)
    7. Israel to Be a Blessing to All Nations of the Earth (Gen 12:2-3, 18:18)
    8. Israel to Have a New Home (2 Sam 7: 10) (1 Ch 17:9) (Ps 2:8) (Is 49:19-20) (2 Sam 7:10)
    9. Israel to Be Gathered From Remote Countries, Coasts, and Islands (Is 49:1-3, 51:4-5) (Jer 31:7-10)
    10. Israel to Colonize and Spread Abroad (Gen 28:14) (Deut 33:17) (Is 26:15)
    11. Israel to Find Native Inhabitants Diminishing Before Her (Deut 28:1-13) (Is 60:12)
    12. Israel’s New Land to Be Restored From the Sword (Ez 38:8) (2 Sam 7:10 KJV)
    13. Israel’s New Land to Be Inhabited by a People Gathered From Many Nations (Ez 38:8)
    14. Israel’s New Land Had Previously Been a Continual Waste (Ez 38:8-12)
    15. Israel’s New Land to Be Inhabited by a People Who Would Live Securely (Ez 38:8) (2 Ch 17:9)
    16. Israel’s New Land to Have Cities and Villages Without Walls, Bars, or Gates (Ez 38:11)
    17. Israel’s New Land Described as the Camp of the Saints (Rev 20:7-9)
    18. Israel’s New Land to Be Bordered by an Eastern and Western Sea (Joel 2:20) (Ze9:10)
    19. Israel’s New Land to Have Great Agricultural Wealth (Gen27:28) (Deut 28:8-11, 33:13-16,28)
    20. Israel to Have a New Religion and to Be Saved by Yahweh (Deut 33:29)
    21. Israel (as the Only People Known as YHWH’s Sheep) to Recognize Yeshua as Her Savior/Shepherd (Ps 74:1-2)

    When one combines the easily verified history with the archeology with the lingustic evidence backed up by and matching the scriptural evidence they will see they have 4 WITNESSES- ALL of which line up perfectly.

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    • TK United Kingdom says:

      Yh crappy english your quoting the bible as historical evidence I really don’t have the energy or time to continue With this baseless arguement . As I said there has been no official DNA result for King tut the only one out is from DNA tribe and his DNA shows more ties to black Africa don’t need to post any link because they are all over the internet just goggle it . Do your research my refined english.

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  16. TP United States says:

    TK,

    Listen up you ignorant hypocritical double speaking dolt!

    1. The scriptural (Septuigant) evidence is backed by historical evidence (written historical documents about the travels of the Israelites), lingustic evidence (Showing that the original hebrew is found in the Welsh-English-Saxon languages at a rate of 50 to 80%), the archeological evidence (that shows Joseph was in Egypt, where the Israelites lived, written Egyptian records of their being there- crossing of the red sea, the chariots under the sea, the markers they left. The pillers they erected, their constructing Israel, the northern Israelites leaving, their going through the caucasion mountains and entering Europe). There is also the “religious” evidence showing that early European pagan religions were EXACTLY those of the Israelites who left the land. Then there is GENETIC EVIDENCE which we have obtained that shows a 99.6% match to the WHITE Egyptian King Tut which perfectly fits the scriptural narrative concerning Ephriam and Manassah and all the rest of the SCHOLARLY data.

    I also gave “Jewish” admissions about them not being Judaites, Israelites or Hebrews- these admissions in authoritative “Jewish” sources.

    What do you have?

    A F-CKING BLOG AND WIKIPEDIA you hypocritical ignoramus! The type of sources YOU SAID ONLY BRAINDEAD OR BRAINWASHED- THE UNEDUCATED USE.

    My God- how anyone can listen to your assinine clatrap is beyond me.

    I even accepted your “evidence” and showed it really proved the narrative I promote, which it does but YOU’RE TOO DAMN BLIND, stubborn, hypocritical and unethnical to acknoweldge the obvious TRUTH in any way, shape or form!

    For God’s sake, I gave you evidence from people with Phd’s, the highest ranking in their paticular fields and you provide a BLOG- Wikipedia, which is a source ANY RETARD CAN LOG IN AND CHANGE, and which is not even allowed to be cited in a scholarly paper.

    You call yourself “educated”? Holy crap- are you f-cking joking me? Educated in false propaganda and smears maybe.

    Are you eating a tofu bagel in Tel Aviv right now or maybe you’re a so called “Jew” living in the UK? Either one would’nt suprise me in the least!

    So listen up pal and listen good FOR YOUR OWN SAKE!

    “Offical” my as-! Most of the entire planet is conrolled by the elite “Jews” and that INCLUDES most all of academia so keep believing your fairytales and marxist drivel! The FACTS ARE, WE THE WHITE/EUROPEAN PEOPLES-CHRISTIAN NATIONS ARE THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL JUDAH and we are destined to not only topple the tyranny the “Jews” have over us in our own lands, but some of us will be with the real returning messiah when he and they take over their NWO based on LIEs DESTROYING THEIR “offical” crap that has ZERO to do with truth.

    Come and provide some evidence to show I am wrong or you are simply spewing NONSENSE BASED ON ZERO and why? Because you can’t accept the truth and no way on Gods green earth will you accept ANY scholarly linguistic, historical, archeological or the GENETIC evidence that opposes YOUR LIES!!

    Don’t believe me? FINE, THEN DON’T!

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    • Enter your name... Austria says:

      (Showing that the original hebrew is found in the Welsh-English-Saxon languages at a rate of 50 to 80%)

      You do mean Irish Gael don’t you, good twist on trying to say English saxon.

      ~Anon

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  17. TP United States says:

    Everyone and TK,

    FURTHERMORE;

    Look at TK’s link he uses for “scholarly evidence”. The first is ****http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_III***

    A click on the link shows nothing but a pic of Ramsees III. This ‘scholar’ quotes Wikipedia that shows a WHITE PERSON WITH A TAN. Yes, TK, white people tan as dark as ARABS in the sun or did you not know that “Mr Scholar”. I accepted your genetic premise anyway and said it only proved mine if true, which it does but that aint good enough for you because you have to continue your anti white/European agenda.

    Here is your other “scholarly” link for “evidence”

    ****http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/1354/results-rameses-shows-african-haplogroup?page=1#post-7007**** A BLOG “Mr Scholar”!!!

    Because this uber hypocrite cannot show anything really scholarly and because this person desires to say TUT was black African he now says “I don’;t have to provide anything because it is all over the net”
    What a COPUT!!!! What a COWARD!

    ARE YOU BLACK AFRICA TK?EXACTLY WHAT RACE ARE YOU TK? Yea right! ANY MORON can simply look at Tut’s facial bone structure, nose, eyes, skull shape which perfectly lines up with a CAUCASION AND NO ONE ELSE. What now TK? Does your offical sources say African bone structures change to Caucasion after death and this is natural?

    Everyone knows you libtard race hustlers are out to change all history and all of academia to try and demonize the white man. You steal our achievments and say they are yours. You turn easily verified history on its head, you falsify scienc. You attack yourselves and blame it on white people as you blame the “evil white man” for every damn thing under the sun most of which the “Jews” and other minorities are responsible for. You are HYPOCRITES in the highest form demanding ‘rights’ for you and denying white people the same rights you enjoy IN THE WHITE MAN LAND!

    You enemies of the truth are on your last legs and soon enough you will be purged from our nations with your tales between your legs!

    Wait and Watch!

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    • TK United Kingdom says:

      TP,
      So we’ve resorted to name calling just to get my attention What are you like 12.The link I posted brought up a picture and common sense didn’t tell you to check for the article you do know what wikipedia is for or am I to hold your hand and guide you every step of the way.And all this ranting about black people and white people where did you get all that from Save your heritage .com .Judging by your outburst would say your black African.You know what I do to people like you, give them a warm glass of milk, patt them on the head and tell them Jesus loves you too. As I said before I don’t have the time or energy for baseless arguements.And what exactly am I to wait and see

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      • TP United States says:

        TK

        Nice try.

        Still waiting for evidence from you. you are still engaged in the same ole same ole as I throughly documented above.

        Ducking direct questions does not prove Tut was a “black jew” and my points about questioning your race go directly toward your credibility which is already shattered.

        Nuff said…

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  18. CN United States says:

    Everyone – R1b ORIGINATES in the Middle East – Semites (Arabs, and, the closely related ETHNIC (by religious conversion, ANY ethnicity) Jews) are Semitic Whites verses Indo European Aryan Whites. Black Nubians ruled Egypt for about 00 years, so some mummies will be Black – this article explains it all:http://naturescorner.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/where-the-ancient-egyptians-black-or-white/

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    • TP United States says:

      CN

      You keep claiming that the “Jews” are semites and are the “original Jews”. In order for you to prove this directly via genetics is by having a control sample from known remains of those from the tribe of Judah and the only way you can do that is if the “Jews” in “Israel” were to allow us to have a DNA sample off of the remains of the patriarch Judah, Levi or Benjamin. Shoot, even a genetic sample from one of their known direct offspring from around 1000 BC would do. Problem is, you will NEVER get that from the “Jews” and you want to know why? It would genetically prove them not to be related while showing certain European/white peoples related.

      Also, when the “Jews” do their genetic studies, they NEVER get samples from these sources. What they do is take genetic samples of themselves and then compare them with genetic samples of themselves which only proves one thing. Those who claim falsely to be “Jews” are genetically related to one another; something no one is disputing.

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  19. TP United States says:

    CN

    1. As I stated before, Rb1 does originate in the ME
    2. Full Ashkenaz “Jews” and full Sephardic “Jews” have little to no Rb1.
    3.Coverting to a religion does not change DNA structure for God’s sake
    4.A 99.6% match of white Europeans proves their original place of residence was in the ME.
    5.You are correct about black nubians from Ham.

    “…the Jews of Poland and eastern Europe are of largely *Khazar-Jewish, rather than Semitic-Jewish origin” and “because many American Jews trace their lineage to these countries,” many scholars have concluded that this “disturbs the concept of a chosen people [from today's Jews] extending back to Abraham.”
    - Robert C. Quillan, “The Jewish Kings of Russia,” Shabbat Shalom, April-June 1998, p. 12.

    “The powerful Zionist propaganda machine has led the American people to believe that a Jew is a Jew – one race of people and that they are “God’s Chosen People.” I will deal with the “God’s Chosen People” lie later. First, it is important for you to understand that Jews are NOT one race of people. There are two distinct groups of Jews in the world and they come from two different areas of the world – the Sephardic Jews from the Middle East and North Africa and the Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe.

    The Sephardic is the oldest group and it is they, if any, who are the Jews described in the bible because they lived in the area described in the bible. They are blood relatives to the Arabs – the only difference between them is religion.

    The Ashkenazi Jews, who now comprise 90% of the Jews in the world, had a rather strange beginning. According to historians, many of them Jewish, the Ashkenazi Jews came into existence about 1200 years ago approximately the 8th century A.D.].

    The American people have been led to believe that Jews are “God’s Chosen People”. This myth was started by a small group of Jews. A few Jewish leaders took excerpts from the Bible and interpreted them as “Chosen People”. But, isn’t it odd that it is not the religious Jews who claim to be “God’s Chosen People.” It is the atheistic non-believing Jews who claim that honor.

    Leading the cry, “We are God’s Chosen People” are the Zionist/Marxist (Ashkenazi) Jews who for political purposes chose Judaism and who don’t have a drop of biblical Jewish blood in them.
    I’ll toss in one last thought about the “God’s Chosen People” myth: God said, ‘Beware of those who call themselves Jews and are not, for they lie’. Could it be the Ashkenazi Jews are the people to whom God was referring?”
    - Jack Bernstein, as told by Len Martin in “The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel”, Costa Mesa, CA: The Noontide Press, 1984 (Mr. Bernstein was later assassinated by the Mossad).

    “Popular ignorance of the real basis of political Zionism is beyond calculation. Vaguely most Christian Americans have the idea that the Jews claim Palestine because it was the “Promised Land” in which they lived for a period of a few centuries that ended 2000 years ago. And the thought of a people returning to its “homeland” seems emotionally satisfying and good.

    But here are facts most Americans do not know: Political Zionism is almost exclusively a movement by the Jews of Europe. But these Eastern European Jews have neither a racial nor a historic connection with Palestine. Their [non-Semitic] ancestors were not inhabitants of the “Promised Land.” They are the direct descendants of the people of the Khazar Kingdom, which existed until the 12th century.

    The Khazars were a non-Semitic … Mongolian tribal people who, about the 1st century A.D., emigrated from Middle Asia to Eastern Europe …. About the 7th century A.D., the King of the Khazars adopted Judaism as the state religion, and the majority of inhabitants joined him in the new allegiance. Before that date there was no such thing as a Khazar who was a Jew. Neither then nor since was there such a thing as a Khazar whose ancestors had come from the Holy Land.

    In view of this fact, what becomes of the cry for “repatriation” to the “homeland”? These Eastern European, Yiddish-speaking Jews have no historic or racial connection with Palestine…. if the Indians should demand America back, would we all pack up and return to the lands of our ancestral origins? Yet the Arabs have been in Palestine a thousand years longer than we have been here [in America]. And if the claim of Palestinian-descended Jews is so dubious, what of the claim of Khazar-descended Jews?

    Would a single Christian support their trek back to the “homeland” or want to oblige them by expelling the Arabs, if it were known that these Eastern European, Yiddish-speaking Jews who form the Zionist group practically in toto, have neither a geographic, historic nor ethnic connection with either the Jews [Israelite Judahites] of the Old Testament or the land known today as Palestine?
    - Benjamin H. Freedman, “Economic Council Letter, No 177 (October 15, 1947),” Palestine (New York, NY: National Economic Council, Inc., 1947) quoted in Destiny Magazine, 28 January 1948.

    “Edom is modern Jewry.” – “Encyclopaedica Judaica”, 1925

    “JEWS BEGAN TO CALL THEMSELVES HEBREWS AND ISRAELITES IN 1860″. ~ Encyclopedia Judaica 1971 Vol 10:23

    “Strictly speaking it is INCORRECT to call an Ancient Israelite a Jew or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.” (1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3).

    The late Rabbi Stephen F. Wise, formerly the Chief Rabbi of the United States said, “The return from Babylon and the introduction of the Babylonian Talmud mark the end of Hebrewism and the beginning of Judaism.”

    For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.

    If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.

    If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.

    Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American’s, and will not even thou they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention.” - Benjamin Franklin

    The Declaration of Arbroath 1320
    “…Most Holy Father and Lord, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous. Thence they came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to their home in the west where they still live today

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  20. CN United States says:

    TP

    The faulty with your logic is, Europeans do NOT have the four Semitic haplomarkers that identify Semitic ME origin.Sephardi and Ashkenazim Jews are mostly by religious conversion, and, have l.ittle/ NO Semitic blood line ties to the ME: TWO more recent genetic studies reverse earlier findings that European Jews were more closely related to ME Jews than Europeans – the findings were based on larger samplings, more genetic markers, and, greater precision, and, accuracy in testing – European Jews are closer to Europeans,Southern, in particular, than ME Jews; http://www.biology-direct.com/content/5/1/57 and http://genetics.emory.edu/labs/docs/labdocs/warren/Bray_2010.pdf To clarify for you – Europeans have very little/ no Semitic blood line ties to the ME.

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    • TP United States says:

      CN

      Why can’t you answer simple questions?

      I asked you below these questions

      1. where did whites/Europeans come from? They would have to come from either Shem, Japeth or Ham.

      2 Please give me your defintion of “Indo European” because in doing so, we might clear up our differences pertaining my use of the term European/whites and your differentiating terms “indo European” and Semetic European.

      Now here is a new question you must answer because if you do not, then you are a troll

      3. Which haplogroup do you believe corresponds to the earliest Egyptians (which we both say are white) and which haplogroup do you believe corresponds to either Shem or Abraham?

      These questions must be answered because you are making assumptions from the outset as if they were fact to support your theories. The only fact concerning DNA we agree upon is that Rb1 originates in the ME, namely Egypt.

      See, this is why I said that without a control sample from the patriarchs and/ or their direct lineage, people can simply assume which belongs to whom today.

      This is basic science 101.

      I maintain and the evidence in this article from the EUTimes shows that western European peoples have a 99.6% match to King Tut who is a early white Egyptian.

      If we had a control sample from Ishmael and his first or second generation children THEN one could make the claim you are. BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT.

      If we had a control sample from Judah or his direct lineage then we could establish exactly who they are via DNA.But the “jews” will not allow that.

      We already have a control sample of Tut, an early Egyptian so we are the ONLY ones who have an ancient control sample that matches us directly to the ME and this is massive evidence toward explaining who is from Ephriam and Manassah concerning the tribes of Israel/Jacob.

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  21. CN United States says:

    TP

    Two pieces of info where you are wrong – I do NOT believe NON Semitic Europeans originate in the ME. I will have to examine that more closely.

    On Jews – I have REPEATEDLY said ETHNIC Jew – Mizrahi, are SEMITIC Jews – Sephardi, and, Ashkenazim Jews are Indo European, Aryan, NOT, Semitic, White – possibly some Mizrahi( Semitic Jews) mixture from the Diaspora.

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  22. TP United States says:

    CN

    Seems we have had a little bit of a misunderstanding. For that, I apologise for my part.

    1. Yes, I know you do not believe European/whites originated in the ME. I ask you this; since I believe it plainly evident you do not believe in evolutionary nonsense concerning the origins of mankind- where did whites/Europeans come from? They would have to come from either Shem, Japeth or Ham, right? Answer this and I will continue to prove this to you so you might examine my evidence.

    2.I am glad you do understand that Sephardic and Ashkenaz are not semites or from the tribes of Judah. I maintain that Sephardics do have a little semite in them but it is from mothers line going back through Esau, the first son of Isaac who was also a son of Abraham.

    3.Mizrahi Jews definition some also include Sephardics. These are said to have come back to the land out of babylon when Judah (and some Esau-Edomites) were taken into Babylon and then returned to the land 70 years later to rebuild the temple and through whom (those of the tribes of Judah) came Jesus Christ in his first advent.

    4. Your view seems very consistant with the Muslim point of view but our contention lays in the actual history of these people from between 650 AD and the present. This is why scriptural evidence must be included if we are to make sense of the historical records, archeological records when we try to determine DNA sequences to paticular lines from Noah.

    Are we in agreement?
    3.

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  23. TP United States says:

    Correction

    4. Your view seems very consistant with the Muslim point of view but our contention lays in the actual history of these people from between 650 BC and the present.

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  24. TP United States says:

    CN

    One more thing. Please give me your defintion “Indo European” because in doing so, we might clear up our differences pertaining my use of the term European/whites and your differentiating term “indo European” and Semetic European.

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  25. CN United States says:

    TP

    We are not in agreement:

    1. Yes, I know you do not believe European/whites originated in the ME. I ask you this; since I believe it plainly evident you do not believe in evolutionary nonsense concerning the origins of mankind- where did whites/Europeans come from? They would have to come from either Shem, Japeth or Ham, right? Answer this and I will continue to prove this to you so you might examine my evidence.

    1) Indo European Aryan Whites do NOT have Semitic White Haplomarker – four – separating the Caucasian groups.Indo European Aryans are generally considered descendants of Japheth. King Tut was Arab Semitic White.

    2.I am glad you do understand that Sephardic and Ashkenaz are not semites or from the tribes of Judah. I maintain that Sephardics do have a little semite in them but it is from mothers line going back through Esau, the first son of Isaac who was also a son of Abraham.

    2) European Jews (Ashkenazim & Sephardi- are mostly NON Semitic, by religious conversion) have very liitle/ no Semitic (Mizrahi) blood lines.

    3.Mizrahi Jews definition some also include Sephardics. These are said to have come back to the land out of babylon when Judah (and some Esau-Edomites) were taken into Babylon and then returned to the land 70 years later to rebuild the temple and through whom (those of the tribes of Judah) came Jesus Christ in his first advent.

    3) Mizrahi are the Semitic Jews – Sephardi are bounced among groups – generally – European though.

    4. Your view seems very consistant with the Muslim point of view but our contention lays in the actual history of these people from between 650 AD and the present. This is why scriptural evidence must be included if we are to make sense of the historical records, archeological records when we try to determine DNA sequences to paticular lines from Noah.

    4) Semitic Whites (Arabs, and ETHNIC (NOT, by religious conversion – any ethnicity)Jews) are indigenous to the Middle East.

    The ethnic Haplomarkers:
    Caucasoid – E (only subclade E1b1b is a Caucasoid marker-all other sublades of E are Negroid haplomarkers), F(Semites), H, I, J(Semites-1 & 2), K, L3(Semites), T, U, V(Semites), W, X, Y

    Mongoloid(anthropologists now include American Indians(Red) and Malaysians(Brown) ethnicities in this group – C, D, F, G, O, Q, S- American Indians also have A, B, and X

    Negroid – A, B , E(except for subclade E1b1b which is a Caucasoid haplomarker), L1 & L2, M & N-all groups have these, but certain subclades are restricted to Blacks-presence of N in Blacks is not clearly defined and is possibly considered due to genetic backflow rather than present normally

    M, N – is present in ALL ethnicities, but certain subclades are restricted to only Blacks

    P, R, Z – Caucasoid and Mongoloids only, not Blacks.

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    • TP United States says:

      CN

      1)Indo European Aryan Whites do NOT have Semitic White Haplomarker – four – separating the Caucasian groups.Indo European Aryans are generally considered descendants of Japheth. King Tut was Arab Semitic White.

      1.Yes, I know what we are generally considered but this like so many other things in modern “science” or basic scientificc rules, rather, it is based on assumptions and not verifiable DNA facts, until now that is.

      2)Mizrahi are the Semitic Jews – Sephardi are bounced among groups – generally – European though.

      2.In European circles Mizrahi are mostly considered Sephardics. Among Jews, this is true too which goes even further to the point of having a DNA sample of the patriarchs which the “Jews” will not allow.I take it as a assumption (not scientific fact) that Arab whites are from Ishmael and I say this only because they have pretty much stayed in the same region for thousands of years unlike so many of the patriarchs children. But which markers go to Ishmael and which actually correspond to Abraham or even Shem before him is why we need ancient samples (like the Tut sample that corresponds to us) to verify some of these assumptions.

      4) Semitic Whites (Arabs, and ETHNIC (NOT, by religious conversion – any ethnicity)Jews) are indigenous to the Middle East.
      The ethnic Haplomarkers:
      Caucasoid – E (only subclade E1b1b is a Caucasoid marker-all other sublades of E are Negroid haplomarkers), F(Semites), H, I, J(Semites-1 & 2), K, L3(Semites), T, U, V(Semites), W, X, Y

      4.Here is where your assumptions play a part. Many people’s have traveled into and outside of the ME over the last 4000 years or so. Truth be told, all of the 3 major racial groups started around Turkey where Noah and the 8 got off the boat. Saying F,H,I,J etc are from Shem is pure speculation. This is one of the reasons why the EUtimes article and their findings are so revolutionary and also why they tried desperately to hide these findings from the world (like they do so much else). When matched up to the archeological, linguistic, historical and biblical evidence it totally matches our claims of western European peoples being of Ephraim and Manasseh of the tribes of Israel/jacob who comes from Isaac-Abraham-Eber-Shem before him.

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  26. CN United States says:

    TP

    Dude – NOT speculation – scientific FACT – I am NOT sure why you want to claim Indo European Aryan, and, NOT Semitic, Whites are the Ancient Egyptians – what is your reason for that?

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    • TP United States says:

      CN

      1. All human races from their primary racial grouping originate in the ME. The out of Africa theory has been utterly destroyed. If you believe the accounts in the Koran, then you will agree with this.
      2. I have stated over and over that you need to DEFINE your difference between Indo European and Semitic whites. You constantly refuse to do this.Once you do this I can then answer your question.
      3.Without a control sample from ancient sources from those you want to say modern racial groups correspond to, you have ONLY speculation much like the so called Jews whose DNA tests on themselves have one of their own modern day peoples as a control sample to make their bogus claims as Semites. Asinine in the highest degree.

      Nuff said

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      • CN United States says:

        TP
        READ my prior answers- Haplomarkers Separate e European and Semitic Caucasians – NUFF said.

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  27. Gary Taiwan; Republic of China (ROC) says:

    The current reports about the DNA results in this case are totally inconclusive. Ergo, you clowns are arguing in a closet. Enjoy yourselves…

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    • TP United States says:

      Gary,

      If you think that uncomfortable results in science are not hid from the masses, then you are kidding yourself.

      It is not in the interests of either the Arabs or “Jews” to let European/whites find out their true identity. In doing so, a complete revolution would be in order concerning geopolitical realities.

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  28. CN United States says:

    Gary

    R1b originates in the ME – that much we know.

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  29. CN United States says:

    TP

    1.Yes, I know what we are generally considered but this like so many other things in modern “science” or basic scientificc rules, rather, it is based on assumptions and not verifiable DNA facts, until now that is.

    1. NOT, speculation – based on SCIENTIFIC DNA TESTING.

    2.In European circles Mizrahi are mostly considered Sephardics. Among Jews, this is true too which goes even further to the point of having a DNA sample of the patriarchs which the “Jews” will not allow.I take it as a assumption (not scientific fact) that Arab whites are from Ishmael and I say this only because they have pretty much stayed in the same region for thousands of years unlike so many of the patriarchs children. But which markers go to Ishmael and which actually correspond to Abraham or even Shem before him is why we need ancient samples (like the Tut sample that corresponds to us) to verify some of these assumptions.

    2. Geneally – Palestinians are used as the controls for Semitic Jews.

    4.Here is where your assumptions play a part. Many people’s have traveled into and outside of the ME over the last 4000 years or so. Truth be told, all of the 3 major racial groups started around Turkey where Noah and the 8 got off the boat. Saying F,H,I,J etc are from Shem is pure speculation. This is one of the reasons why the EUtimes article and their findings are so revolutionary and also why they tried desperately to hide these findings from the world (like they do so much else). When matched up to the archeological, linguistic, historical and biblical evidence it totally matches our claims of western European peoples being of Ephraim and Manasseh of the tribes of Israel/jacob who comes from Isaac-Abraham-Eber-Shem before him.

    4. Semitic White Arabs, and, ethnic Jews have FOUR Haplomarkers European Whites, and, no other ethnics group shave – I have given them to you numeous times now.

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  30. TP United States says:

    CN

    1. DNA tests without a control sample of Shem is WORTHLESS toward establishing someone from Shem.

    2. Palistinians are a mixture of many peoples of many lines including Canaanites, Persians, Arabs and Esau/Edomites. They are in NO WAY a sample of Shem (as in pure to determine others lineage from Shem)

    3.Yes, I know you keep saying your people and Jews have 4 haplomarkers. I get it, but do you have a genetic sample from Shem to show that these 4 haplomarkers correspond to Shem?

    NO YOU DO NOT, hence this is called an ASSUMPTION because you DO NOT HAVE A SCIENTIFIC CONTROL SAMPLE to establish this lineage as a particular Haplomarker.

    This is science 101 for God’s sake!

    Saying something over and over because you want to believe it does not make it scientific fact.

    Now, if any so called scientist wants to challenge these rules of science LET THAT PERSON STEP FORWARD.

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  31. CN United States says:

    TP

    Most of science is based on observable evidence – NO HUMANS lived further back than say 200 years – the sum total of what we know is by extrapolation. Let’s use chickens, and, eggs – you know where ever chickens are – eggs will most likely be. Now, if you find a cluster of chicken eggs – you don’t need to know chickens produced them. In a region where most people look similar, and, you do DNA testing – you will come up with a dominant set – minor variations – the major ones are most likely to be the genes of the indigenous peoples, the minor differences are from admixture – so NOW, you have abase to work with – working backwards – you can determine age, and, what peoples lived in the region, and, where.Since Palestinians have the largest base of common genetic factors, they are used as the controls.In this case, Palestinians have the MOST Semitic haplomarkers.NOW, do you get it???

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    • TP United States says:

      CN

      1.Most science? NO, ALL SCIENCE PERIOD!! Otherwise, by defintion, IT IS NOT SCIENCE- end of story and any joker who says otherwise is full of shit with absolutely NO CREDIBILITY! Without something that is or has been OBSERVED or OBSERVABLE- you have THEORY and no matter how much you wish otherwise, it doesnt matter because that folks, IS THE TRUTH!

      2. You said “NO HUMANS lived further back than say 200 years – the sum total of what we know is by extrapolation.”

      Answer

      So no humans lived past 200 years ago huh? I freakin rest my case because obviously you know about ZILCH! For God’s sake, America itself is older than 200 years.

      3.If I find chicken eggs, yes I would know a chicken produced them BECAUSE I OBSERVED IT HAPPENING OVER AND OVER IN CONTROLLED ENVIROMENTS AND SO HAVE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE for god’s sake. See how easy it is to play by the rules of science?

      4. Yes, I get it. You have ruled out all the mountains of observable evidence from the scriptural geneological record and secular Government historical records, archeological, linguistic and other evidence showing the great migrations of people into and out of the middle east and decided, against all scientific rules that the Palistinians are your sample of Shemites from a bibical geneological identity some 4000 years ago to support your false religious agenda. I get it perfectly!

      Until you come up with a sample of Shem from HIS TIME PERIOD or you have nothing to make that claim!

      You need a sample from Shem or from Abraham or from Ishmael or from Isaac, Esau or Jacob. Or, you could, LIKE WE HAVE, a genetic sample of the son’s line from Eber (who is also descended from Shem) in the form of KING TUT from about 3000 years ago who has a 99.6 genetic match to WESTERN EUROPEAN PEOPLES.I think our sample is much closer than your modern day sample of Palistinians..Sheesh!

      look at America for God’s sake. The oldest remains in America are Caucasions- called the Solutrean. They were driven off the land by the “Indians”. Then the white man came back here in the form of the Vikings and they were driven out after time and later the Spaniards came and then the English Anglo-Saxons and then the French and other whites. Today, whites are being replaced off of north American land again but this time by Africans and Mexican-Indian mixed people and a host of other minorities from around the globe like Asians and even large Arab populations.

      So knowing this is how it went over just the last 2000-3000 years in America, ONE CANNOT take a sample from any modern day American Indian and say that this sample correlates to the Solutreans of thousands of years ago especially when Soltreans DNA matches whites of Europe and not Amerindians of Asiatic stock.

      This is the type of BULLSHIT you are trying to pull. If you want to label something as Semetic, THEN YOU BEST HAVE SOME FREAKIN SAMPLE EVIDENCE FROM THE TIME PERIOD(S) OF THE ORIGINAL SEMITES TO BACK IT UP- period.

      Now, I do not expect you to admit to the obvious but at this point anyone else here who questions what is going on sure as hell isn’t fooled by your “semetic” game, you FALSELY call “science” anymore. If they are or claim you are right, they are either ignorant, a open liar or a troll.

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  32. Jack'n O'trades Russian Federation says:

    God help us if we still haven’t grown out of the childishness that is Identity Politics by the end of the century.

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  33. TP United States says:

    Jack’n

    The problem is, there has been an active effort made into erasing the identity of nations, females, males, whole races and religions. Why? So a new false identity, a new order can take its place.

    Identity politics as you call it,is very natural. Bluring the lines of reality is what is screwing the planet.

    Pedro

    What we are talking about is pretty easy to understand if one has a working knowledge of the rules of science, history and sciptural geneology.

    I made a challenge to any scientist to dispute these scientific rules and have heard from no one.

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  34. devanhie United States says:

    May I suggest reading Stephen Oppenheimer’s book on the peopling of Britain. He shows the DNA/population migration and DNA sub groups branching from the last glacial maximum, their movements along the north Africa/coastal Mediterranean by earlier people and the movement of a later migration along the Southern European/Northern Mediterranean.

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    • TP United States says:

      devanhie

      The british people first came to the Island via the mediterranean and through Europe proper about 1000 BC. The tribe of Dan left Israel because of the infighting between the northern and southern tribes of Israel of which they refused to take part in. Later, other migrations came through north Africa via the Carthaginians who were also surviviors of Troy. These people were northern tribe members of Isreal who survived the Assyrian captivity.

      Later, other migrations via Spain came to Britain and their trek is detailed from leaving Egypt with Moses to leaving Israel and settling in Spain and onto the Island. You can find this in the Declaration of Arbroath 1320

      often assailed by the Norwegians, the Danes and the English, they took possession of that home with many victories and untold efforts; and, as the historians of old time bear witness, they have held it free of all bondage ever since. In their kingdom there have reigned one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, the line unbroken a single foreigner. The high qualities and deserts of these people, were they not otherwise manifest, gain glory enough from this: that the King of kings and Lord of lords, our Lord Jesus Christ, after His Passion and Resurrection, called them, even though settled in the uttermost parts of the earth, almost the first to His most holy faith. Nor would He have them confirmed in that faith by merely anyone but by the first of His Apostles — by calling, though second or third in rank — the most gentle Saint Andrew, the Blessed Peter’s brother, and desired him to keep them under his protection as their patron forever….”
      - Scottish Declaration of Independence, 1320 http://www.constitution.org/scot/arbroath.htm

      A very large segment of northern Israelites came through the Caucasion mountains around 600 BC flooding Europe proper. They were then called the Saxons, Jutes, Angles, Franks, Lombardis, Vandels, Goths etc. These are all tribes of Israel with different pagan names.

      The Angles went to the Island as well and then with the later Saxon and Viking invasions, they became the Anglo-Saxons of Britain.

      This is why we see today Egyptian DNA all across Europe. Ephriam and Manassah were amoung those Israelite tribes and they had half Egyptian from Eber (Semites) DNA through Joseph’s wife who was an Egyptian Priestess. Also, the mixed multitude of Egyptian-Israelites from Jacob came out of Egypt as well forming the early Israelite nation.

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  35. Jill United States says:

    Isn’t it more likely that the connection came after the Hellenistic (Greek) Egyptian elite intermixed with the Romans who then went North and mixed with the peoples of Wales, England, etc.?

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  36. TP United States says:

    Jill

    Yes, elite intermixing of related stock also happened like you suggest but this small pocket of elite are not responsible for the MILLIONS of Israelite pagans and Judaite Christians (small numeber just before 135 AD)that flooded into and established the early white pagan tribes as mentione above.

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  37. TK United Kingdom says:

    The DNA result posted on this site is not correct. No official DNA result of King Tut has been released.

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    • TP United States says:

      TK

      We have been over this before. Stop trolling or being so naive. Who determines what is “official” accept for those who control the present power structure. The whole point of the article was to show they had it, accidently leak the info on TV, and then others used the DNA info to get the results. I really loath people like you. You don’t give a crap about truth. Rather you think truth is eiter subjective or determined by the state even in the face of the DNA info right in your face. I suppose if the “official” finding by the state said that Tut’s DNA was 100% match to a polka dotted Iguana you would believe that too.
      Sickening!

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  38. TK United Kingdom says:

    TP
    Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and assumptions doesn’t make it factual evidence . Can’t believe your still stuck on this hypothesis . The DNA result on this site is scientifically incorrect that is the simple truth no matter if you choose to believe it or not.

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    • TP United States says:

      TK

      Are you smoking dope or what? Did I say people are not allowed to have their own beliefs-assumptions?

      Answer

      NO

      Did I say my claims rest on assumptions or beliefs?

      Answer

      NO

      I am using this DNA evidence couple with archeological, linquistic, biblical, Law documents and other types of evidence to support my position which is true. Truth is not a plural word. It is NOT truths. It is TRUTH- singlar and what I have claimed about the anglo-saxon- white/European related peoples is the TRUTH! Now, you can believe it or not and that is your right but do NOT tell falsely represent my position- I won’t stand for it- that you can be sure of.

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  39. CN United States says:

    TP – I NEVER said humans didn’t live before 200 years ago – NO HUMAN is 200 years or older – hence, we depend on written, and, other, records.

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    • TP United States says:

      CN
      Here is a direct quote from you above

      “Most of science is based on observable evidence – NO HUMANS lived further back than say 200 years – the sum total of what we know is by extrapolation.”

      I am stating what I am based on written records, DNA tests, Archeological evidence, actual law documents and Greek Bibical claims that ALL match eachother.

      All one has to do is scroll up and see your words as I copied and pasted them down here. SHEESH!

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      • CN United States says:

        TP

        My apologies – poor choice of words – no human lived longer than 200 years so all data about the past, is second hand.

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        • TP United States says:

          CN

          apologies accepted. Exactly, the oldest living being is no more than 130 (as far as I can tell) and even so, a person is always left (unless seen themselves) with second hand testamonies. The first rule of science is to see something in an enclosed enviroment happen over and over to make a scientific fact. If one does not have that, they can take circumstancial evidence and create a theory. Now, given the circumstancial evidence, the linguistic, the historical record, archeological record, ancient scripts it all matches this DNA evidence above perfectly not to mention and most importantly, the Greek Septuigant and Greek NT accounts (Not the Jewish fraud texts- Masoretic-Talmud). See, the Jews even admit they are not Judah or Israel of the bible racially-ethnically, DNA wise. They admit it in their own authoritative sources and believe-you-me, they know what I am claiming here about white/European peoples/nations as absolutely true and it is for this reason they are right now trying to commit another of the genocide attempts having usurped our nations in their bid for a world gov out of “Israel”.

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  40. CN United States says:

    Kit

    DNA is more advanced than that – ethnicities can be determined, not necessarily, Geographic locations. =))

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  41. sgt United States says:

    …and I propose that earth is a garbage dump for the universe! There’s white, black, yellow and red…each from a different planet. There are very distinct blood and body type differences between us.

    What’s more…I think ‘they’ stop by to check on us now and then!!! 8-| =)) #:-S

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  42. =)) Oh you humans… get over it.

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  43. Ralph Taylor United States says:

    Bad science abounds! Or, at least, bad interpretation of science.

    Where a Y-DNA haplogroup is common today is not necessarily where it originated nor where it was common a few thousand years ago. This is particularly true of R1b.

    R1b did not originate in Europe, nor does it seem to have been common there in King Tut’s time. (Sort of hard to tell since getting readable ancient Y-DNA is so tricky.)

    Whit Athey’s predictor is good for a “rough cut” on haplogroups, but it doesn’t get into the finer subclades of R1b which would be more informative. Some of these subclades are European, some are Middle Eastern, some are Asian, and some are African.

    You might just as well say most Europeans are really Egyptian as to say King Tut was European.

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  44. If the claims were true, it would put him in a genetic profile group shared by more than half of Western European men. That would make those men relatives — albeit distant ones — of the pharaoh.

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  45. CN United States says:

    karen patrick

    R1b actually, originates in the Middle East.

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  46. Shabaka United States says:

    Why hasn’t this debunked story been pulled down yet. It was a scam to sell DNA Test kits.

    The Egyptians told you themselves that they were Black.

    Black Africans are claiming their ancestors whether you like it or not.

    Your Bible states in Genesis 10 that Egypt(Mizriam) was descended form Ham.

    The Arab invasion and the Greek invasion are well documented proving that neither were the Egyptians.

    The people of Khamit>Kam>Cham>Ham.

    They were genetically Black Africans as well as culturally and ethnically.

    This is beyond debate. Whites Covet the excellence and wealth.

    The purpose of Egyptology is to keep Blacks from ever identifying with the Egyptians as all of Western Civilization came out of Egypt and later Babylon.

    This knowledge flies in the face of White Supremacy so Whites work hard to obscure the Egyptians.

    He even looks like an African.I he were your ancestor you would show respect and not parade his corpse around.

    You know nothing about them.

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    • CN United States says:

      Shabaka

      He looks very little like Black African – the Blacks lived there BEFORE the Ancient Egyptians, who were NOT Black.

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  47. Mary-Ann United States says:

    :)) King Tut was white – love it!

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  48. Robert Smith United States says:

    I told you he was white! All that slave labor and abuse was more than a clue. Thank God he isn’t black! Just another bunch of white inbreds, taking everything, with big tombs. This is the best news I heard in a while.

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    • CN United States says:

      Robert Smith

      White as in Semitic, NOT, European White – actually – he looks mixed as the DNA actually shows, albeit, a small amount.

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      • Robert Smith United States says:

        No they claim he is white and I have no problem with that. It is like giving a dog a bone, you can take it away at any time. If they want to lay claim to a feckless pharaoh whose claim to fame is his dead body and tomb, so be it. Their level of ignorance is astounding. There were so many different periods of Egyptian history, and different groups came to power. The Mediterranean has always been a mixture of different groups because of its geography. The different pharaohs will reflect that changes of groups in history. This DNA test is not news but they have a narrative of white supremacy. I don’t waste my time with them. They come from Africa at one point or another, but it seems to bother them. Personally I am proud of my African ancestry in spite of being a descendent of slaves. Most Europeans and most of their American cousins are the most destructive groups on the planet. They take recognition for other groups inventions, and turn them into tools of violence. They obliterate everything they come in contact with, because it in their nature. Can you count the civilizations, ecosystems, oceans, lakes, streams… that they have destroyed? They can’t really travel in space, yet they are already polluting it. If they want to claim they built the pyramids it doesn’t change a thing. It just proves my theory, and shows their trail of thief and devastation. Eventually they will finish off the planet, but they will flip it and blame some the Arabs, Chinese’s, or the Africans.

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