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The Pakistanis gathered every morning, from 07.30 a.m. to approximately 12.30 p.m., in front of their consulate in Athens are a human sea covering a triangle in the very center of the Greek capital, namely an important part of the streets Loukianou-Ypsilantou-Karneadou. The –Greek- people who dwell in that (ex-residential) area have sent several letters of protest to the mayor of Athens and the police authorities – but so far no reply has been forthcoming. The question, nonetheless, is what are all those Pakistanis expecting from their consulate every morning, from the summer of 2006 to the present? That was the question a member of the staff of Eleutherotypia, an influential (and, of course, democratic) Athens newspaper, originally asked the ambassador of Pakistan in Greece. The ambassador gave her the following answer: “About 50,000 Pakistanis live in Greece. Our consulate, therefore, offers them a lot of services such as the issuing of new passports, visas and other documents. We contacted the mayor of Athens and we hope to co-operate with him. We are ready, moreover, to increase our personnel and simplify the relevant procedures. We do not ask money for our services and the little sums of money that are necessary for the new documents issued by us are paid through bank accounts. Unfortunately, the people from our country do not know that. This is why so many Pakistanis are gathered here every morning (instead of going to a bank)”.

However, when the same person from Eleutherotypia asked some of the Pakistanis gathered, she was given another answer: “The ambassador and his staff do not care about us. In point of fact, they love money. We spend so much time at the gate of our consulate and, as a result, we have to pay 500-1,000 euros in order to have new passports. If you want a fuller explanation we can give it to you”. And of course there are not merely 50,000 Pakistanis in Greece; for if one considers the crowds gathered in the center of Athens during the last three years (about 1,000 every day, five days per week) they must now be about 500,000-700,000.

A policeman sent by the authorities not to protect the Greek people from the Pakistanis, who urinate in the open air and dirty up the whole area, but to protect the Pakistanis from the Greeks who every morning see the degradation of the Athens historical and residential center, gave another explanation: “These crowds from Pakistan entered Greece illegally – thanks to the tolerance of the relevant Greek authorities. Once they are on Greek soil, they destroy their documents and, thereafter, come here, to their consulate. And the consulate personnel give them new passports as well as documents certifying that they had visas to enter Greece, but they lost their passports etc. In short, the consulate, through a remuneration of about 1,000 euros per person, gives them documents thanks to which all the people who entered Greece illegally, represent themselves as “legal immigrants”. And the point is now that, thanks to the Greek government, a lot of these people will be given the right to vote in the next municipal elections. And last but not least: the consulate of Pakistan at Athens is the gate through which the influxes of Pakistanis “immigrants” enter Europe.

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  1. Muhammad Amin says:

    Pakistan is facing horrible law and order problems with high unemployment rate. Many people have been shifted abroad to find reasonable livelihood.Most of them reach eu countries after spending 6 to 10 thousnd euroes in averege. There jorney to the west is terrible. I whish them to respect lawas and honour the natives. I wish the international community to to solve the asylum seekers issue in a civilised way. Comments are welcomed. I am Muhammad Amin Govt. College for Elementary Teachers male Lalamusa Pakistan Ph.00923216212238

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    • Vlad the Spike says:

      Muhammad, I’ll give a direction for your people to follow:
      go to Israel,they need your work force and the life would much better for you and for the rest of us in Europe. no offence,just a suggestion to be “politically idiot”.

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      • SQ says:

        Vlad the Spike,

        Very smart. These Pakistanis have to leave their country because of fall out of American imposed war in Afghanistan has destroyed Pakistan’s economy.

        BTW why the Brits have been Emmigrating? From where these Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders (and whites in many other countries of Africa) come from?

        Go to USA and see your fellow Brits standing in line to get their Green Cards. Just Google and see how many Brits leave their country every year to seek better life in greener pastures.

        To my Greek fellows: Once you were the super power of the world. Your ancestors were the brightest people on earth who lead humanity when the whole world was living in dark. You were the smartest race on earth. Good and bad times come in the history of nations. But no one can deny the fact that your nation is capable to do wonders (you have proved yourself and many of today’s inventions were not possible without your contributions).

        Ordinary people should not be blamed for the sins of their governments. Your govt. has done bad decisions and now ordinary Greeks are suffering. Same thing happened to these Pakistanis………policies of their govt. has let them down. Many Greeks are working in other countries and still leaving their beloved country to help their families.

        In Pakistan we have over three Million Afghanis immigrants who find Pakistan better place than their native land.

        The cycle goes on……….the fact is no one likes to leave their place of birth unless he/ she is forced by economic, political or religious reasons etc.
        Please treat fellow humans nice where ever you are. Who knows one day you have to leave your country and expect better treatment from your hosts.

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  2. Simon says:

    Countries like Pakistan, India, Philippines etc & Africa as continent need to stop breeding… Excessive breeding = Unemployment, Disease, Poverty & a burden on ‘whitey’. STOP BREEDING LIKE RATS, THEN YOU DON’T HAVE TO SUFFER A JOURNEY OR INTOLERANCE. Even animals knows when to stop… the above mentioned crowd does not!

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  3. JamesTheJust says:

    Muhammad Amin,

    Destroy the jew and you destroy your problem. The jews would like for you people to believe that the problem are Whites, but that is a blatant lie. The problem is the jew. I will give but one example of this:

    Niggers today blame white for slavery in America, but a search of the official records reveal the ALL slaves ships and ALL slave trading houses were jew owned and operated.

    The vile jew has infiltrated every level of every government of the West. I pray to YHWH that white eventually catch on and STOP INSANELY VOLUNTEERING TO FIGHT THE JEW INCITED WARS!

    The jew is THE problem. Destroy the jew and you destroy the problem.

    PS: Stay out of our countries!

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    • Dimitris Michalopoulos says:

      To James the Just
      I totally agree with you. The main/initial cause of all our problems are the Jews/
      Balcanicus

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    • Muhammad Amin says:

      Dear, We cannot destroy the jews but what we can do is to make them understand that they have to be well behaved toward muslims and christians by giving them mutual respect. They may not build walls to lock palistenians in israe.Mend the walls and live in peace.They may understand that human blood has the same chemistry.It does care with religions. Let me tell you one thing more that muslims do have firm belief in Moses, Ibrahim and Christ.So we have no justification to hate or destroy jews or others on earth.

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    • nishant says:

      The germans tried and failed. Now should your terrorist religion try the same do remember the previous consequences.

      Moreover islamic terrorists like you are more of a problem.

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  4. Andrei says:

    And its the stupid European Union fault with theyr tolerant actions against imigrants … :-x

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    • Dimitris Michalopoulos says:

      The EU is not “stupid”; it is simply jewish-run.

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    • you have to help us says:

      and the stupod spain,portugal,england,germany that send back illegal immigrants that dont even entering from Greece.Stop pretending,you are not innocent,you dont care about Greece.But dont worry…how many will come in greece 30-40 more million,then its your turn…but who cares you wont live then,maybe your children would have to pay the price.What we want from you its HELP.we want advisors,financial advisors,stop exaggerating our depts,stop sending back all of this foreigners..Turkey everyday violates our area,its tukrs,moroccans and albanians that smuggling poor or not pakis,bangladeshians,iraqis,africans,and taking all the profit from that.IF YOU DONT HELP GREECE NOW,THEN TOMORROW IT WOULD BE YOUR TURN TO FACE IT AND IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE.Its easy to say this online,but at least 200.000 people pass Greece illegally from south and east,and the number is growing.One day Greece would be over and then its you that you will the problem…so stop pretnding and ignoring us…..YOU HAVE TO HELP US NOW.YOU HAVE TO SENSE FOR GREEKS,STOP IGNORING US AND LABBELING US AS CORRUPTED.WE REALLY NEED HELP FROM THE RIGT PERSON.NOT FROM AMERICANS,ISRAEL OR MUSLIMS.

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      • Faruk says:

        Europe belongs to the Muslims, you can write what ever you want, its only a time issue, 20 years with Allah help ALL of Europe will belong to the MUSLIMS .

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    • Jahanzeb Amin says:

      Hello Brother how are you ?

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  5. Muhammad Amin says:

    I am once again very sorry to know that the world is still not so civilised and optinistic. World has become a globel village as it is often claimed by the developed nations. East or West, we have to be more rational abut isralis and jews. I personally thik that jews have paid the price in world war ii. Anyway,they shold form good relations with muslims and others as well. In future the solution of Palstime problem shall be to form a federation of jews and palistenian. There is no other way to go. We ll have to eleminate prejudice of religion. Nature has gifted this planet to all the inhabitants. One day every individual will have the equil right to live on it anywhere.This is what we will understand after a few decads. We the pakistanis,indians, australins americans and others on this earth are not original natives of the land where we live now. Once again my apeal to the west is the solve the problem of refugees in a polite way. Thanks I am Muhammad Amin from Pakistan

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  6. D says:

    To Muhammad Amin (from Pakistan)
    Why nature and not God gifted this planet…etc. Are you a crypto-jew?

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    • Today, at the very center of Athens, at 11.30 a.m., Pakistanis attacked my wife and my sister and nearly they killed them. All the money, documents etc. that the two ladies had -of course- disappeared.
      In my mind, things are clear: or we shall get rid of them (and the jews manipulating them) or they will get rid our planet from the white race.

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  7. Muhammad Amin says:

    Dear,This is very sad incident of snatching and beating,I strongley condemend.Criminals are the same everywhere and what they do is illegal and unlawful.This kind of culprits are found in every country.Any believing im race-ism is very dangrious and horribe for humans.

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  8. Dimitris Michalopoulos says:

    I do not care about “condemnations”; but I do care about safety in my own country – which was very safe before the jews gain strict control over our planet.
    And last but not least: are you a jew or-even worse- a crypto-jew?

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    • Muhammad Amin says:

      I am not jew but that is not so important.In fact we dont need to discuss any individual.Let us try to find the reasonable solution of refugee problem only.Pakistan is too facing millions of illegal refugees from different countries from three decades.

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  9. Dimitris Michalopoulos says:

    I do not believe that “Muhammad Amin” is not a jew. For never a Muslim would have said that “nature” and not God has given this planet to the humankind. In my mind, moreover, is crucial to be or not to be a jew; because the jews never may be friends of the human beings.

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    • Muhammad Amin says:

      Ver ingeresting comments by Dimitir Michalopoulos the question was not who am I.Anyway let me tell you clearly that I am not a jew at all even have never seen jews in my life,I have read and heard news about jews.So my comments about jews may be taken political and not religious point of view.But have some questions in my mind what was the reason behind holocast?Why cant jews live peacefully with palistanians in israel? What is real agenda do the jews have ? Why do they have supernatural influance on super power? Can you give me the answers of my question.I ll be obliged.

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  10. Dimitris Michalopoulos says:

    To “Muhammad Amin”:
    I think the answer to all your questions is to be found in Genesis,49:8-12. I would be very obliged, moreover, if Mr “Muhammad Amin” would explain me why, if not a jew, thinks our planet is given to us not by God but by nature.

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  11. Muhammad Amin says:

    Answer to the above question in my mind is that the muslims use the word nature in place of God. Or nature means the will of God.I dont know what do the jew point of view is about the word nature.When we say nature has gifted this planet to human beings, means that God has granted this world to his most favourite creature.They are not jews, christians,muslims or others only, but all the human beings and other creatures on earth.

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    • Dimitris Michalopoulos says:

      Please have in mind that I did not ask you what do you have in mind. I asked you about real situations.As a matter, Muslims Never use the term “nature” instead of God. Only jews do like that – as Kissinger did. (“A World Restored. Metternich, Castlereagh and the Problems of Peace, 1812-22”, p. 206.)

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  12. We simply never called them says:

    I DONT WANT PAKIS IN GREECE,NEVER CALLED THEM LIKE GERMANY OR SWEDEN.FUCK OFF.GREEKS ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SITUATION IN YOUR COUNTRIES.WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SEND YOU BACK.AND YES THERE MORE PAKI CRIMINALS HERE THAN NATIVE ONES.MANY OF THEM ARE PEDOS.USELESS PIECE OF SHITS

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    • Dimitris Michalopoulos says:

      Though its language is rough -and somewhat impolite- I agree with the comment no 20.
      Dimitris Michalopoulos

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  13. Muhammad Amin says:

    So you want to be a new nazi. I think This is prejudism against the refugees. Are you personally heart by any indvidual?

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    • We simply never called them says:

      no all pakis in greece came illegally,like the one in my neihborhoud and dont listen the media,most of them are parasites and they offer nothing to our economy.But the point is that we dont owe them nothing and unlike germany,saudi arabia,uk,norway,denmark,austria we never called pakistanis here.The only one that came legally here are now in their 40s-50s,and reprsesent 0.5% or less of the total paki population here,and guess what they were called by the outlaw jounda(american driven regime).Greek people were never asked if they want them.The fact that half of them find a legal job doesnt mean that we call them or need them.They should be greatfull that we dont deport them.Its hard for you to believe it,but i dont give a damn,im a well edecuated person and what i see its that pakis except of being illegal are also thee ones that are not fittting here.So many africans and albanians have integrated,and many others,pakistanis(illegals)the only thing they have as far as i see it everyday is islam.But i would say that is not a race factor,actually most hindus have integrated and dont have problems.I would like to remember you that in most neibghourhoods(like agios padeleimonas and peristeri) we have always problems with immigrants,but not in that way like pakis and afgans.Areas like that have gone in desperate situations mostly because pakis,bangladeshians,somalis and afgans(most lazy people along with bangladeshians) got there.With arabs,eastern europeans,blacks and others we never faced that situation and so much disrespect.After all i dont understand those fucking pakis in my neibhourhood they do nothing special,just delivery,muggling and cleaners,i dont need nobody of them but still i wouldnt care if they werent so much disrespecteful,loud,noisy and hypocrites.Philanthropy is not imposed.We have suffered so many illegals here and didnt say a single word.I dont give a fuck if albanians worked here.We did it without them better in 1989.Enough is enough,no more philanhropy(green cards)to anyone.If you want philanthropy ask USA,your religion,the former english empire.But we are not compelled to give you visas or citizenship.ITS CALLED DEMOCRACY.THIS STATE WAS MADE BY GREEK PEOPLE.WE ARE THE ONES WHO CHOOSE WHO TO STAY OR NOT IN THIS COUNTRY.WE ARE THE ONES WHO MADE THE LAWS TO COORDINATE THIS AND THE LAW SAY IT CLEARLY,ILLEGALS MUST DEPORTED.refugees must get asylum,AND ECONOMICALLY DRIVEN ILLEGALS ARE NOT REFUGEES.Kosovo is free now,Georgia invade osetia,pakistan in not occupied by any country,but strange enough its pakis,albanians,moroccans,egyptians that enterning illegally greece and not palestinians,osetians,sudanese or copts….

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  14. Dimitris Michalopoulos says:

    My wife and my sister have been attacked by Pakistanis in the very center of Athens; and of course the jewish-run Greek police did not react.
    As far as I know, Adolf Hitler was a friend of Moslems in general and of Pakistanis in particular. You, on the other hand, why are afraid of telling you are a jew?

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  15. Yeah says:

    Yeah we want to be Nazi, it’s better then to be with immigrant scum destroying our Europe, traditions, and family. So fuck off and don’t come to Europe, it is our fortress and holy land we will protect it till death.

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  16. Muhammad Amin says:

    I think these informations are incorrect and limited. Pakistan came into being in 1947 when the world war two and Hitler both were finished. Why are you so much worried about asylum seekers in eu?West had been occuping this planet for centuries. They made Amrica, Africa,Australia and Asia slaves. World wars were started from west which caused the worst destruction on this earth. One whose hero is Hitler is extremist,ractionalist and faschist.West caused huge blood shed and bloody wars against the poor inhabitants of these continents. Still this dirty game is not over. So we have to be tolerant.Let us stop these abuses.Let me clear that I am not a jew. I am a Pakistani citizen requisting you to be peaceful. You can contact me for further clerification.Thanks

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    • We simply never called them says:

      West had been occuping this planet for centuries
      west,and actually uk,no greece.Greeks brought civilization through alexander that oddly enough pakistan doesnt aknolwedge him as greek,pakistani officials pay visits to fyromians and pakistan officially recognizes fyrom as macedonia……Actually the famous indo-greek kingdoms were kingdoms with 99% native population who assimilated greek ethics and language to a point that didnt sustain the barbarians hordes….Most afgan “”refugees”” tha come here in Greece are Hazara and from turcic areas of afganistan,oddly enough those bitches have invaded afganistan centuries after alexander,by deporting and enslaving at many cases the native zoroastrians and budhists.Also alexander liberate the areas and abolished theheavy persian taxes.After all even seleucus army was mostly of syriac and anatolian people,not greek and muslim arabs and english were the ones that destroyed hindustan.Soviets and muslim arabs did a great job in afganistan, and now americans are the assholes here trying to satisfy everyone and doing nothing.Greece was occupied by a lot of people.and some areas were 9 centuries under the islamic plague,if muslims were so good why they invade our lands,drove ous out and refuse our right to independence in 1821.THATS WHY (MUSLIM)PAKISTANIS ARE NOT WELCOMED HERE,ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY CAME ILLEGALLY HERE.CHOOSE ANOTHER COUNTRY.BUT NOT MUSLIM PAKIS ITS MORE THAN 100% THAT THEY WOULD ASSIMILATE HERE AND FITT IN OUR SOCIETY.WE SHOW OUR PHILANTHROPY,GIVE JOBS AND VISAS ONLY TO THE ONES WE WANT.IF THIS IS NOT RIGHT,HOW IT WOULD FELT IF I TRAVEL ILLEGALLY TO PAKISTAN AND DEMAND A JOB,PERMANENT RESIDENCE AND REMOVE THE CRESCENT FROM THE FLAG??????OBVIOULSY I WOULD BE DEPRTED TO DAY THE LEAST.

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    • We simply never called them says:

      AND MUSLIMS INVADE INDIA,CONVERTED THEIR TEMPLES INTO MOSQUES ,FORECED HINDUS INTO DHIMMIS AND THE DAME WENT IN ASIA MINOR AND ANATOLIA.AND CENTURIES BEFORE COLOMBUS(A NON GREEK,HINDU,ARMENIAN OR COPT)AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED DISCOVER AMERICA AND THE SPANIARDS,FRENCH,GERMAN,DUTCH,ENGLISH(BUT NO GREEK,IRISH,UKRAINIAN,CHECH,SERBIANS,ARMENIANS,SOUTH SUDANESE)ENSLAVE BLACKS OR KILL OTHER PEOPLE.IF YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN TO NON MUSLIMS DO IT TO THE PROPER ONE,AND LET THE OTHERS DO IT THEIRS JOBS.FOR THE RECORD LEARN THAT YOUR PEOPLE ARE UNWANTED HERE(GREECE),YOU CONSIDERED PARAISTES BY MOST GREEKS,IF YOU DONT LIKE IT I DONT CARE,BUT ITS YOUR PEOPLE THAT COMING ILLEGALLY IN MY COUNTRY NOT ME,THATS WHAT IM BITCHING ABOUT MY RIGHT AS NATIVE GREEK TO DONT WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT NEEDED OR GOING TO SHARE MY CULTURE(AND NOT ISLAM)IN MY FUCKING LITTLE COUNTRY.AND CYPRUS WAS LIBERATED IN 1961 AND FACED AN INVASION IN 1974 BUT THEY SUCCEEDE.YOU DONT SEE ANYMORE CYPRIOTS TRAVELLING ILLEGALLY IN EUROPE.BUT 63 YEARS AFTER 1947 YOU SEE MORE AND MORE PAKIS DO IT.YOU SHOULD LEARN ONE DAY THAT THE PROBLEM IN PAKISTAN IS THAT YOU CANT HAVE A FAMILY OF 4-5 CHILDREN AND MARRY YOUNG WHEN NO JOB IS AVAILABLE,THE SAME GOES FRO BANGLADESH.JUST A TIP.IF YOU DONT FOLLOW IT I DONT CARE,BUT AS GREEK IM NOT COMPELLED TO WELCOME YOUR JOBLESS IN MY COUNRTY,ITS SOMETHING THAT GREEK PEOPLE HAVENT CREATED AND SO ON WE ARE NOT GOING SOLVE IT. :-D

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  17. Dimitris Michalopoulos says:

    Please do not pretend to be the smart one. When I talk about Hitler’s sympathy towards Pakistanis, I mean the India’s Moslems, who, of course, did exist before 1947.
    About tolerance… all right! Give my sister and wife the money stolen by your Pakis, punish them, put them in prison and no problem, I shall be tolerant.
    Greeks had no colonized India, as you know, my crypto-jew. All the contrary… Moslems had occupied Greece for four centuries. As a matter of fact, we love our country and we do not like your ugly, illiterate compatriots to occupy her.
    And last but not least: Fascist is the correct word, not Faschist. And I cannot understand what do you mean by “rationalism”. You see, you cannot even speak English, though English is your second language (in both Israel and Pakistan) and you want live in Europe. Go first to a good school and afterwards you will be able to talk with the Europeans.

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    • We simply never called them says:

      You know michalopoulos what is funny about germany:German tribes pillaged greece throughout the medieval times and slayed heretic greeks in crusades.During the trukish wars with venice those mercenaries were from germany and swiss and they treated like shit natives in 1687-1715.Austrian Empire wanted like hell Greeks to stay slaves..they helped financially the rotten turkish army.They hunted greek ships and prohibitted them during the revolution.When Cretan revolted in 1869 like modern leftists the Austrians and Germans were among the first who urged Turks to supress Greeks and they even felt sorry for some hundreds of dead civilian turkish cretans(or converted through violence greeks).But they didnt give a damn for the poor Greeks.Again in 1908 theymade alliances with turks.The most notorious is that back then 1/4 of the Asia minors population was Greek and they advised germans before 1914 to exterminate greeks,they even sent counselors for this.One of them tried to “wake” Turks that Greeks can be a obstacle to a strong Turkkey that ofcourse would help Germany.In 1941 they invaded for nothing in our counrty….how many countries invade for nothing,even americans had a cheap excuse for saddams “nuclear rockets”….and they helped Greece to become a fucked up state-cicil war,foreign intrventions blablabla.GREEK PEOPLE SHOULD AKNOLWEDGE THAT NOBODY CARED FOR THEM AND NOBOY WILL(even cathernine the great of russia after betraying said that we dont deserve our liberty)GREEK PEOPLE SHOULD LOOK FOR THEIR OWN FUTURE AND NO PAKISTANIS,ALBANIANS,GERMANS,ENGLISH,AND OTHERS.IM NOT IDIOTIC,WHEN I WILL HAVE A JOB LEFT OR SOME MONEY MAYBE I WOULD HELP PEOPLE WHO NEED IT,BUT I HAVE LAWNS TO PAY,STUDIES AND A FAMILY TO FEED NOW…

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  18. We simply never called them says:

    I SIMPLY DONT UNDERSTAND HOW IT COMES TO HAVE MORE ILLEGAL PAKIS FROM RURAL PAKISTANS AREAS,THAT NEVERVE NVER SEEN A SINGLE AMERICAN,INDIAN OR TALIBAN AND ALBANIANS THAN SUBURBAN AFRICANS AND PALESTINIANS.EGYPTIANS COPTS ARE TREATED LIKE DOGS BUT ITS THE EGYPTIAN MUSLIMS THAT ARE COMING.ALSO MORROCO ITS BEEN FREE 60 YEARS NOW,BUT THEY FLOOD EUROPE WITH A LOT OF THEIR SCUMS.OUR CYPRIOT BROTHERS HAD SUFFERED SO MANY,BUT STILL THEY BUILT THEIR COUNTRY AND THIS IN 30YEARS.AND THEY ARE NOW FLOODED WITH PAKIS,TINISIANS,MORROCANS.WTF!!!!HOW SOMEONE DONT SAY IT RIGHT ITS BECAUSE OF THE OVERPOPULATION THAT THESE COUNTRIES FLOODED US WITH ILLEGALS.ITS BECAUSE YOU CANT FIND JOB FOR TEN KIDS IN EVERY FAMILY.ITS FUCKING SIMPLY.ONEDAY MEXICANS WILL STOP GETTING IN USA.PAKIS,COSOVARIANS,BOZNIAKS,TURKS WILL NEVER STOP,THEIR ECONOMOIES ARE TO DUMP TO STOP THE OPULATION GROTH AND ITS MORE THAN NATURALL FOR US TO TAKE THE REST(ILLEGALLY).REFUGEES ARE ONLY A TINY PART OF THE IMMIGRATION.THE SAME GOES WITH MEXICO.AFTER 70S WHEN BIRTHS HIT THE TOP,IMMIGRATION STARTED GROWING,THE SAME FOR BANGLADESH.PAKISTAN,TURKEY,MOROCCO,LIBYA,MAURITANIA.IF IT WERE MAINLY REFUGEES THEN MY COUNTRY WOULD HAVE 99% CHRISTIANS FROM PAKISTAN,HINDUS FROM BANGLADESH(THE POOR PAKISTAN HAD EVEN DARED TO MAKE IMPERIALISTIC WAR ON A POOR COUNTRY AND COMMIT GENOCIDE IN 1971…….),COPTS FROM EGYPT,CHRISTIANS FROM SUDAN(OH NO,A ISLAMIC NORTH SHOW ITS GOOD ISLAMIC FACE BY TRYING TO IMPOSE SHARIA ON A NON ISLAMIC AREA,WTF!!!!!!!!AND AFTER THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW NORTH SUDANESE HERE,NO FUCKING WAY.)ALSO IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH AFGANISTAN AND IRAQ,VISIT USA,ENGLAND,GERMANY,IRAN AND RUSSIA.NOT MY POOR COUNTRY(GREECE).GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE

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  19. From Pakistan says:

    Muhammad Amin is simply talking nonsense here! There is no war-scenario here in Pakistan, that he is justifying Pakistanis should be given asylum there. Are you out of your mind, simply backing people who left their country in misery and sought to work cobbler jobs in Greece, rather than doing a Sanitary job in Pakistan.

    All these Pakistanis in Greece are from Punjab, Sialkot, Gujrat and Gujranwala, who are famous criminals and thugs, the cream of them go abroad to deceive people rob them in-spite of doing work. If they had had a qualification, why wouldn’t they get jobs here in Pakistan. They have merely no qualification and you think about people who don’t even go straight via flight, but through Iran, Turkey and then Greece.

    And fuck you all bastards for barking against Pakistan, take your filthy dirty Greeks from Islamabad too. You mofos!! Sons of Hitler Mausolini, Alexander, Julias Caesar, Antony….

    Fuck off you idiots you damns pieces of shits having not this much place to let players of the World in Olympics 2004 to live, hiring boats and cruises, hired flats to let them live. Feeling proud of this shitty tiny island.

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    • We simply never called them says:

      how many greeks live in pakistan???????how many of them entered pakistan illegally.Actually Greece is a country of 9-10 million population and 2 million foreigners.Pakistanis are 300.000 and Bagladeshians 100.000 and more.The majority of them came illegally and the majority of Greeks dont want them.How many Greeks live in your country…1000????What you would say if in your country invaded 30 million Greeks???And yes most of them are not born-criminals,for fucks shake nobody is born criminal but they become here and thats the problem.We owe you nothing(the same goes for albanians,romanians,morrocans,bangladeshians,bulgarians,moldovans,russians…)why the heck we should tolerate any crime rate brought by you.You know nothing “from pakistan” because after 1990 90-95% of the heavy and “light” crime is (illegaly)imported(albanians,pakistanis,egyptians,moldovans,ukrainains,georgians,kurds) and its everyday..i mean if you had 9/10 of robberies commited by albanians and the rest from romanians,tinisians,moroccans,bulgarians,georgians what would you do?????? :cry: :cry: If most of your rapist and pedophiles in your area were foreigners(here pakistanis,albanians,ex) what you would do.Even your fucking pakistani organizations here support your criminals,WTF????Life was better here before you came all of you in 1990….much better.if you have problem with “west” and colonies sorry you chose wrong country to immigrate.Also the main reason why all of these people dont find proper jobs in pakistan is because there are no sufficient amount of jobs there…thats why we dont have one million chinese here….because pakistan doesnt care to create jobs or reduce its population…for fucks shake your country cant make it with 100 million and if you continue this way only a small amount of pakis would be employed.To conclude,stop avoiding to admit that we never called you and Greece has nothing to do with Pakistans economic situation,we were 5 and 6 centuries slaves,we endured invasion,latins,normans,romas,turks,germans,two world wars,civil war,junta,and still th situation is not as good as in the west and you demand from US to legalize your illegals or accept them,why????If you blame it in the “powerful”,then USA,England(british empire???),Arabs,Mongols thats where you have to go.

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    • We simply never called them says:

      Also you know something man.IM NOT RACIST,its the truth that me and my parents live.The problem its not you,the problem are the leftist antigreek scums who work for USA,Turkey and Israel and wantall these moth…s here.They want to destabilize Greece.Ok you are a mohammedan Pakistani livinig in Pakistan,and i dont like mohammedans but i have to say at least the things as they are.Do you know why they want so much my country,do you know why america want FYROM to hate Greece and want something that is not theirs,why your country,Turkey,Albania,Egypt and other recognize them as Macedonia.Its simply because in (greek) Macedonia and the north Agean sea,its a lot of oil,motherfucka,a lot and uranium and many others too.Why Greece cant exploit them,its fucking simple because when we were fighting against the muslim turkish scums for our independance not a single european power want us free.Austria hated us and Germany always helped muslims and turks,alaways.Why???Economic and imperialistic reasons.Why England occupied Cyprus and Ionian islands and brought mohammedan scums and gave them higher positions in Cyprus,because they never wanted her united with Greece,and your fucking Pakistan supports the invaders(do i have to accept pakis after all here???)Also Greece had to take huge loans to grant its independence(buy weapons,food).Even Egypt invade here,WTF!!!!France,Germany,Austria,UK all these motherfuckas and Israel want our sources and they have us in debt in order to dont exploit them.Do you know how many industries exist in Greece???how many positions.They want all these motherfuckers illegals to exploit Greece and blackmail greek poeple.That why its vital to not accept a single foreigner,until we Greek people get our land back,and exploit our land for our proffit.I dont want motherfucking french to exploit our sources and then bring a lot of fucking pakis to work dor 5 euros a day.Its Greece here no Pakistan or France.I dont want Americans,turks or monkeydonians exploiting our Aegean oil(with the cheap help of Bulgarians,pakis,egyptians,or else).Thats the problem,Greek people dont want you,itsthe fucking foreign companies and the illegal owned companies of other immigrants that want you.Its totally fucked up the situation here. :cry: :cry: :cry:

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    • We simply never called them says:

      Its funny after all that a lot of organizations run from atheist or liberal jewish people(well many of them are jewsih but not as many as people think).A former greek president was of jewish atheist background and the most dump one.Czech who supported Israel has Jeeish president….The problem is not their race but their insist to portray Greeks as racist and that greece must accept everyone BUT ON THE OHTER SIDE Israel has the most strict immigration rules,and they exaggerating ethipeans and other africans for cheap labour but they deport them afterwards,not like the bad racists Germans that gave most of immigrants permission to stay.They once questioned the chairman of muslims here(a egyptian one) what would happen if some pakistanis immigrate illegally in Saudi Arabia or Jordan,and he naturally replied that they would be deported,but he didnt seemed annoyed with this.ANYWAY GREEK PEOPLE OWE NOTHING TO PAKISTANIS,BANGLADESHIANS,ALBANIANS,EX.IF YOU WANT TRY IT ON BRITTISH.After all if english took all of pakistans sources then why dont you blackmail them tou give you compensations.Ahhh yeah its india or the bad greeks that dont give you green cards…..and dont want you.But Infians suffered a lot more from Brittish than you and ofcource from muslim invaders but i never hear them bitching about it. :-D

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  20. We simply never called them says:

    And now the last thing.I dont hate you i just want you to know the truth.For instance what to do you know about albanians,all these assholes from the leftists say that we owe them????What????Actually most of albanians contributed in constructions as unqualified workers,especially in the beginning.What was happening here before 1989.We didnt have construction workers???For the record we had and because their numbers were stable to low their wages were good and it was a good option to wokr in this area if you didnt like to go school.What happened when the good communist regime fell in Albania(ironically enough its the commies and leftist that supported the product-poor albanian people-of their own ideology-communism :-o :-o :-o )???Throughout the 90s and even today in extremely lesser number albanians came (illegally offcourse in Greece) and not only Albanians but a huge amount of people from eustern europe(poles,bulgarians,russians,lettonians,georgians).When in the 90s Greece with the poor and undeveloped industry(many indutries flew from here in late 80s to go to cheap-labour countries,providing there jobs and fucking more the country-you know taxes…)all these people came here to make money,the best option was the building construction area.Well if you have 10 greek workers who work for 50 euros or more and suddnely a lot of desperetaly want to wokr with you at nay cost,then if you are a fuckin scum you fire the Greeks and exploit the situation.Well the exploited ones are the fired Greeks and not the foreigners because the last one want this situation as they want to manke some money at nay cost,so they know that the wages are gonna set in auction.The labored takes 20 of them who agreed to work at worst condition and for 20 euros.Then after 10 years the immigration is finally haulting and the wages star to increasing,because of the less number of workers in the field.But suddenly and a new wave from south and east is coming.And you have now a lot of people to want to make money at any condition.They agree so on to work for…..10 euros and only 30 of them,the rest stay without job,and they blame it to the wrong race and country(Greece).Sorry dudes we cant give birth to jobs,its not in our nature and we have many problems of our own now.What now is gonna happen if Bangladesh’s,Egpyt’s,Morroco’s,Kosova’s,India’s,Pakistan’s,Congo’s populations continue increasing with that rate and reach that exterme numbers in 40-50 years well you know the answer…..At least 10 million is gonna pass or immigrate to Greece,to say the least and granted Greece’s situation,then just screw it……..Even the rich countries like New Zealand,Switzerland,Canada,Australia,Urugay,Germany,Austria,Belgium,…..(indifferent to their colonial past) would never sustain such numer of people.Dont hear those motherfucking philosophists on internet or other media.(why israel and saudi arabia or libya have so strict immigration rules,totally anaccepted here or imaginable??????Dont do know??????)And you know something that is bad for everyone.Here in Greece you get a degree from a higher educational instituion very hard,but it gives you verastility back in pakistan or india you get a degree in a special of special area of work in order to provide cheap work and pressure in wages,and offcourse to “blackmail” those with higher degrees to work in specific areas with lower wages.building constructions its just the taste of what is gonna happen to all of us.You would even imagined there from pakistan what degrees i posses and through what education ive gone,but its blackmailing.They get 5 pakis to work solely in drafting,5 solely for the mailing,5 chinese in that “easy” field,5 philipinos there,and goes on and they blackmailing in that way the person who can do all of the above with higher wage offcourse to work on a specific area with even lower or the same.No to mention the number of people who cant find work.AS A GREEK I OWE NOTHING TO A MOHAMMEDAN LIKE YOU,ITS ACTUALLY MOST OF YOU THAT OWE TO ME,MAYBE ENGLISH,JEWS OR RUSSIANS OWE TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU,LIKE THE BELGIAN TO CONGOLESE BUT,IF YOU DONT REDUCE YOUR POPULATION,THE SITUATION IS GOING TO BE WORST FOR EVERYONE.Most bangladeshis here are in the streets,beggars,smugglers,ex…..many of them are lazy but the fact is the inability of their country to create jobs.This inability is ptoving worse if you have to cope it with a increasing population.Thats why wages tend to increaase when a immigration wave stops.

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  21. We simply never called them says:

    In order now to finsh my lessons,i will give you some historic information in order to understand how generous and stupid most Greeks are that sustain so many illegal muslims.Muslim Albanians were the main slayers of the ottomans,and in many cases their tools of suppression of the dhimmis,barbarian people who drunk the blood of the slave christian greek and christian albanian.In 1780 a rebellion started in peloponesus(with Greek majority-muslim albanians lived in epirus,rumeli and albania,WTF!!!).Turks pleaded to muslim Albanians(gegides) to suppress the revolution.They massacred 3/4 of the population,they were so barbaric that turks hired Greeks to exterminate them!!!!!!!!!!!In 1940 most muslim albanians helped italians.In 1912 many of them fight in the side of turks in christian dominated areas.The same goes for Bozniaks(muslim Serbians).Its not race,WE ARE NOT RACIST.Some of us descend from christian anatolians or albanians,or arabs who knows.BUT ITS MORE THAN INSULTING TO SEE THE SAME PEOPLE OR THEIR COERELIGIONISTS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS TO COME IN YOUR COUNTRY ILLEGALLY AGAIN AND FUCKING UP YOUR COUNTRY IN SO MANY AREAS.(Muslim)pakistanis and bangladeshians are a burden not only for greeks but for other immigrants who can really assimilate here and join the greek race(like ethiopians,christian albanians,russians,ugandans,ex).You creat a big burden for them because you fucking up their wages and drive these immigrants in depseration,and you cot a lot of money in our society.WTF some of you arrive here,and their first problem is because they dont have a mosque,without even finding a single work.I know immigrants from other countries that never protested for everything,and you who came illegally you are the most RUDE,the most ignorant.YOU ARE PURE SO WHAT???AND MOST GREEKS IN 40S AND 50S WERE IN WORST CONDITION LIKE BUT ARE NOT CRYING PUSSIES,IGNORANT AND DIDNT IMMIGRATE ILLEGALLY EN MASS IN GERMANY OR AUSTRALIA.Also we didnt ask for churches even if we were in christian countries.
    PS:some people who come from uzbekistan,turkmenistan,tajikistan,pakistan should stop pretending to be iraqis or afganis it become ridiculous.If you want so much to go to italy then meet some albanian guys they may pass you for free there,or protest to italian,english,french,danish who dont accept you.DONT PUT GREEK PEOPLE IN YOUR MOUTH.

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    • muhammad amin says:

      I am still looking for some reasonabe solution to the refugee problem in greece.I think greece is too weak to walk anymore economically, morally and socially.An eu beggar can’t afford uninvited guests or refugees.So the refugees and asylumseekers are being abused there.You the foolish refugees,try to find the other way round.

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      • Read it all says:

        How can i be refugee in my country.Im Greek living in Greece.Its pakistanis,albanians,bangladeshians,egyptians that came illegally here NOT greeks in their countries.Our financial problems its not Pakistans business but Greeces and EU,and Pakistan or Albania are not european union members.How the heck did you conclude that refugees and asylum seekers are abused there.The olny thing that they complain its why the dont get the asylum certification.Actually,that goes to people fleeing from countries due to prosecution,during war or dictation.Pakistanis,albanians,romanians,bulgrians,russians,moroccans and bangladeshians are not refugees.And its pakistanis and bangladeshians that make it hard for the real refugees for the reasons i mentioned above and for one reason also.BECAUSE pakistani and bangladeshian illegals drop their papers when they are illegally arrested,they refuse to tell their origin to asylum offices,they pretend to be palestinians or iraqis,when in various cases real refugees reaveled them and identified them as not theirs.Actually police helps iraqis,kurds and palestianinas.They gave food and helped their children to the best,but its not in their priorities to help illegal pakistanis,albanians,romanians.YTHEY ARE NOT REFUGEES,but granted the asylum you can stay longer here,thats why they form long rows to take asylum IN SPITE OF not having the right to take it.What im saying its simple AS GREECE WE ARE NOT THE ONES WHO GONNA SAVE PAKISTANIS UNEMPLOYMENT RATES,WE ARE NOT OPBLIGED TO GIVE THEM ASYLUM,BECAUSE THEY CANT FIND JOB IN THEIR COUNTRY OR THEY CAN FIND THE SAME JOB WITH SOME EUROS MORE!!!!!!Actually its pakistanis that abuse greeks here and other immigrants.When you come to a country that owes nothing to you and you dont find a job,you have to leave that country,not whining and demand citenzishp,legal residence or the country that you entered illegally to find you a job.Thats the problem pakistanis are not even coming illegally here,but they also want our state to find them jobs,or to build them mosques.What if 10000 illegal greeks come to pakistan every week and demand job,church,state-funded organizations,state-funded schools and other????Also at least in my area all of you came illegally the last years and many of them dont fit with our society,they are hostile to woman,in many cases they attack to boys and they creating many problems…..did we ever said we needed imported trouble and crime.To end the story the fact that some greeks give to some pakistanis jobs or allowing to work,doesnt mean that they bacem legal,actually by the law those greeks must pay penalty for giving job to someone illegally.Actually if those Greeks or Albanians gave the according-to-law wages they wouldnt take many that number of illegals with them,and the jobs would be more appealed to greeks,like the old times.If pakistanis were really abused they wouldnt accept to work at lower wages,and take the job that albanian or greek did at higher wage.And if you say that they have no other choice,you should ask yourself who is to blame,because its not greeks problem the unemployemnt or poor state of pakistan.Also i want to remember this Amin,its not like Germany here.The olny immigrants that Greece ever took with contract were lithuanians,poles and lettonians in 2007 and in 1989,NOT EVEN Albanians.The fact that greece cant deport its also simple.
        1)When Greece ask pakistans,morrocon,bangladeshian,uzbekistans embassy to take the necessary measures those embassies set the following obstacles
        a)they dont recognize them as their citizens.Pakistan accepted last year only……… 55 to get repatriated
        b)When its clarified that most of them are not refugees,they try to escape,they whinning for abuse in order for their embassy to intervene,and most of them they disappear from the sight of police-its easy to escape.(actually most palestinians and iraqis get the asylum,but their numbers are insignificant to those pakistanis,romanians,moldovans,morocanns,albanians that go for the asylum too)
        c)I know that as a muslim you dont want to accept it,but 99% of the smugglers are turks,albanians,ukrainians,romanian,bulgarians,iraqis,syrians,moroccans,nigerians and many pakistanis.In greece we nver had the ringleaders and the crime that italy or usa had,despite of being lazy people we are at leat not interested at these sports.Not to say that Albanians and Turks now wouldnt share the gospel with nobody,do you know whats going on Evros??A reported in disguise took a interview from a turkish smuggler from smyrna,do you know the turkish anxiety????He complained because he couldnt transport them all illegally,that there were too many and the business getting profitable more and more.Actually the turkish fleet was captured to protect these smugglers,and threatening FRONTEX in greek air!!!!!!!!!!Its your fellow mulim cosovarans and turkish bulgarians that passing to italy or germany,and your fellow pakistani that blackmailing other pakistanis to pay the debt to the turkish,albanian or pakistani smuggler.Its hard for you to believe because in pakistan plice is chopping the asses of foreigner criminals,but here police its very soft and in a case that they arrested two pakistani criminals,fro the theft and rape of old woman,a whole mob of pakistanis supported them outside the court.
        You know,its not that they only came uninvited here,its that they made the life worse for the natives,life in the 80s was by far better,our financial problems its ours but the problems that pakistanis,albanians and every rest brought us its not ours.How they want me to socially adapt to someone that came uninvited here….just try walking in our shoes….

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      • and the refugees says:

        As for the refugee problem.The reasonable solution is for America to rebuild the iraqi economy,let the kurds and the shias to form their own states if they want it.You know its wierd because shias didnt want baath party and Saddam and sunnis controll them in their majority areas.Actually americans in iraq are not chengis han,turks,soviets or nazi germany.Americans in iraq now dont even dare to look at a woman in order to dont fire up a mob.They try be any mean to be polite and to stay way from the main scene,as they want just to serve their service and get back home.Its actually the irreconcilable diffirences among shias,sunnis and arabis with kurdish seperatists that brings violence.But dont get me wrong,shias in the south never wanted a sunni state above them,and the majority of them wanted to get rid of the sunni rule.But now the things turnt opposite,the shias took most of the power,not only because of their numbers but because the extermination of sunni army(also shia iran suupports them).The olny way to protect sunnis fro fleeing is to provide the a secure state in the areas that they are prevalent.Also its sunnis fault because many of them commit unjistified violent acts against shias,in shia areas under the vail of resistance “militant” groups.Most girls and women that are raped today in iraq its not american act.If a american soldiers try to rape an iraqi and go unpunished you will have the whole town burning.Its actually shia raping sunni and the reversed,or alevi kursh burning turkish sunni villages and te reversed.No matter what people believe americans are the only last excuse for shias not fighting sunnis officially.Do you believe that if americans leave iraq,kurds gonna say “ok not deport the lest of the arabs from kirkuk or not declare indpendent state”???Do you believe that Turkey is not goona invade iraq for the shake of the turkmens and secede a part of it.Actually americans are the olny now that they can preserve differnet groups from slaughering one another and the genocide of minorities.America just waits from Saudi Arabia,Iran,Turkey and Kurds to agree on something.They dont agree for obvious reasons,as long as they dont agree on something,casualities are going to increase as well the number of refugees.
        In Palestine now,its again more than stupid to blame america for the acts of foreign country.If America sold them weapons,so be it,becasue everybody sells weapons,and Russia sold to the Egyptian and Jordanian sunni,to fight jews in 1948 and 1967,and america sold wapons to chechen muslims to fight russia,and iran to azeris to fight armenians,so what?????Why not putting the blame to the stupid Jordanian king and the then christian Lebannon for listening the fools(eGYPSYian mulims and the retard syrians) and lose the 1967 war??If Jordan never declared war on that damn day or here citizens back then didnt seem to eager to want war,west bank would be free.And lebannon wouldnt give the right to israel to mess with lebannon issues.Orthodox Jews are not Christians and its by fa the most stupid thing to demand from irrelevant countries like Greece to solve the situation over there.We cant even protect our borders from albanians,pakistanis and turks and we would be able to invade israel,hahahha.Also America has a big askenazim sionist populaation that directs the media against palestinians.But after all,you to aknoledge that israel doesnt need america to survive but its jews.As fro the refugees i simply dont understand why the richy saudi pigs dont gie a damn for them,or the turks spent billion dollars for militant army and then whinning for palestinians…Iran also,its pitty to spent million on russian s-300.and protesting for the palestinians.I would totally accepted if it was noth korea that never declared something for them or owes to them,despite of having nukes.How it comes those that protesting for them spenting so much money on weapons,or burning kurdish villages???Or trying to impose their rule in the non muslim south(Sudan) causing thousands of refugees.Still the number of the refugees are extremely disproportionate to those of other immigrants.If you want to remain deaf to the issues of overpopulation of your countries and the inabilities of your states that you elect or support to cope with them,then its your problem.If it was for the refugees the main problem then after WWII would we have an increasing immigration for at least 25 years,on the other side the biggest immigration waves Mohammad didnt take place after WWI or WWII but after demographics boomms like in late 19th century.When italians,portoguese,germans,irish and poles immigrated at inconcievable numbers,turning dark argentina into a white state,and usa into criminals haven.If it was for the refugees then at 19th century you would have millions of greeks,armenians,jews from eustern europe ,assyrians,bulgarians,croatians travelling to america,and actually you had the opposite!!!!!!!!!!Why moroccans still immigrating en mass in west europe,its the inability of moroccos economy to create new jobs for the whole population.The funny is that palestianians should immigrated en mass,because they face the biggest financial hardships but they stay because the have a cause there,as well the copts,the armenians from nagorno,the chechens….

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        • muhammad amin says:

          Now the comments are more reliable. We know that greece”s economy is in deep trouble which cannot bear the burden of asylum seekers domestically. In greece police, judiciary and executive are highly corrupt.They cannot meet with the refugee problem. I suggest the following solutions to comment. 1.To legalize all the refugees except criminals 2.To send back to their native land in a limited period 3.To let them go to the west 4.To build a new Aushwitz in greece 5.To put this problem before UN to resolve 6.Something else?

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          • Read it all,in order to understand the best. says:

            all of my comments are reliable i live in greece and im greek,in a greek which the last 5 years have been flooded with pakistanis.Again and again pakistanis and albanians are not REFUGEES.An albanian coming from the albanian state today how the heck can be a refugee,the same goes for pakistanis,russians,egyptians,moroccans,ex.Tey rip their papers when they get caught iin Aegean,on the other side most iraqis keep their papers,BECAUSE THEY ARE CONSIDERED REFUGEES,and police is helping them to the amount they can.they give shelter and food to many iraqi and kurdish families.Some pakistanis are actually creating a lot of problems to real refugees and immigrants.they forced older immigrants to lose their jobs bcause they are eager to work at lower wages.For a paki that cant find job in pakistan it seems find to work for 15 or 20 euroes,especially when that wages are considered high in his homeland but for other immigrants ARE NOT,many albanians,georgians,bulgarians,ex were fired because of that assholes,and in contrast with those unmarried 20-25yold pakistanis those old immigrants have families.Also many greek women during the last two decades lost their jobs in factories because many of them went to bulgaria,Fyrom and romania.Also there are not jobs for everybody here,actually in the field that pakistanis can work(the best job for an unskilled immigrant and the biggest on was building constructions but most pakistanis prefer softer jobs,with illegal profits,you know like the chinsese restaurants and wearings).Also Greece have big financial probles and big unemployment among Greeks so whats the point to take care for the unemploees from Albania or pakistan,why????Legalizing someone doesnt give him job.Thats what im talking a great deal of foreigners are unemployeed or half-emploeyeed.Also legalizations means voting,and the parts that immigrant supports are the ones leading that lead the country to debt and decay.Legalization also means they have to pay taxes,register their incomes,and then whinning about insurance,cause me too im paying a lot of taxes and then having my insurance.If that happens then most pakistanis will return to pakistan.the once living in my neibghorhood would never wanted smt like this,because they have more proffits now,and many of them work in non profitable for both economy and society jobs,like the roma-gypsies.A great deal of them(around 200.000 have to go back anyway because they dont work at any job).Also if it comes to wages,what makes you think that pakistanis are not gonna stay unemployeed.You know there many things that you dont understand about jobs because you dont know the system here.Pakistanis dont want green card just legal residence!!!!Police hardly deport someone or get in the mess to check them in most areas there no policemen at all!!!Pakistanis want green cards in order to demand higher wagesBUT WHAT THOSE ASSHOLES DONT UNDERSTAN IS THAT THEY WORK IN PRIVATE COMPANIES,FACTORIES AND BUSINESS,if the state force them to increase wages,THEN THE REST OF them would simply leave the country,and we will go banckrupt.Also whats the point to take a unskilled pakistani in your restaurant at the same age,when a greek or albanian can do it better.They just took many of the like in gas stations,for lower wages.Also many work illegal jobs,or jobs that would unstainable and non-proffit if they would have to be legals.They would have to register proffits in order to pay taxes.Also the employer,if you ever happened to work at someone,pay a lot of money for a legal,registered one,and by the law have to do this.If most of the employeed immigrants become legalized then they would immidietale lose their jobs,cause the emploeyr would find it unsustainable to pay their insurances,and the rest so he will keep 1/20 or 1/10 of them,for whom he would be able to pay the new wages and insurances.Do you know what does that means??????????????????????Actually most pakistanis here would have to go back home,and there would be no reason to travell illegall here,because its no germany and we zero production,so minimal new jobs,for unskilled and zero for skilled,because many Greeks cant find job at their skills.IIF WE LEGALIZIE IMMIGRANTS,IT WOULD COST THE STABILITY OF OUR STATE,AND IT WOULD BRING DESTRUCTIVE CHANGES.Also many pakistanis are devuoted mohamedans(muslims),something that is not good at all,as i said already they dont fit in our society like the rest of the immigrants,they act like savages,and the literally destryed neibhorhoods.In some areas not even little boys dare to go out.its nost science fiction,i see it in my area,in parks where it was safe to go even at night,now that pakistanis came,they raped even small boys.Nobody goes there.if it comes to legalization then why pakistan dont accept any of the deported,why they dont stop others from entering.Even if we can sustain 30% of pakistanis living here,we cant afford anymore and your state have to stop this stupid behaviour,by not accepting or not recognizing its own citiziens.also you said ‘lwt them go to the west”,tahts what im talking about,its not Greeks that dont lte them,its the fucking Italians that send them back.Actually there is a agreement “Dublin II” that the current leading party signed it,7 years ago,despite no greek wanted,its because other states(Germany,france,portugal,danmark,uk) are blackmailing us and dont let us nullifiy dublin II,and this stupid goverment that support turkey and illegals,that dont do anything.you are right there many jobs and opportunities for refugees and immigrants in the west,but in the west they even formed vigilante for a single rape.Here we have even pakistanis raping 95 yold granny,in my place they raped two boys,NO JOKING,AND the police dont give a fuck.Albanians broke into half of my villages house,and police didnt give a fuck.If you want west to accept you have to do it your own,Greek its only a weak state in the EU.We are not bad people,we have enough or won,we have turkish scums flying over inhabitted greek islands,turks caling us openly infidels and slaves in western thrace,2000 air violation fro turkish airforce.You know its more than crucial for our existence now to dont have muslim immgrants espcecially from countries like pakistan,egypt or cosova that are pro-turkish and have agreeements with turkish goeverment.We sacrificed a lot to gain our independnce from muslims in 1821 we cant lose it now.Turkey threatening us all day,they even search for oil in the middle of Aegean and many others.Also almost no greek want illegal immigrants here,if we have republic then why dont listen the opinion of those who establish it,and spilt their blood for that country????As for the nazi-bullshit,if you were a greek you would never told that,cause im not police officer,but at least 90-95% of the criminals are froeigners,the only non foreigners are those anrachist scums,that occasionaly rob a bank or destroy it.but we have georgians,albanians,bulgarians,romanians,russians,ukrainians,moldovans,pakistanis,moroccans robbing,stealing,killing,raping everyday.Pakistani,turkish and albanians drug dealers dont give a fuck here.Its Italy their problem.In order ot understand up in Evros river,along the border with Turkey and bulgaria,at least 2000 illegals pass the river everyday inside turkish or bulgarian tracks,with the help of ukrainian,turkish,pakistani and bulgarian smugglers,in order to go to west through patra or stay in Greece,if they cant go to italy.But its not illegals,its also drugs,Turks are cooperating with albanians mostly,and they are now so much organized and ruthless that they dont give a heck if they pass greek borders.Greek soldiers u pthere and police pretend to be blind,because they will get shot if they intervene.We are speaking about ver organized ringleaders.But even in the center of Athens you can see that,even the daylight you may be aproached by somalis,nigerians or pakistans drugdealers and pimps.There is no police here,from the time socialists lead this countrythey always deminishing police.They forbid that and forbid other.Im finishing this article by saying only this,and i hopse you pay attention to this”last year a chilean criminal,wanted by the chilean goverment,almost killed a lady in order to rob her”.They took hi to the police station,and two policemen slapped him.then the socialist party punished the policemen,fired them.but when the chilean gov. learnt about the criminal wanted him back,because he commited various robberies over ther,and the goverment agve him asylum,like he was a refugee and refused to give him”The ironic is that this party,is the ones that want all immigrants to get legalized,and you know the obvious.Its would never won the lections witohut them,you know if you have 300000 new voters,its very to change the polls,as only 4.5-5 million vote.When foreigners would become 50% here or the majority,why blame greeks for that or other,most greeks dont want this party,but its greeks that pay the price in the end.As for UN,only an idiot greek would trust them,they are biased against us,as they are biased against armenians,serbs,palestinians and others.

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  22. Dont forget says:

    Also the article is misleading,in anarchy driven state full of debts what an illegal immigrant wants.they complaining because they have to wait in long rows,in and old building.Yes but they dont say their unwillingness to provide their real data,their origins,many pretend to come from palestine or iraqi,and then they call greeks lame????Why the rip their papers when they get caught by police or naval,if they are real refugees they would kept the identity card that shows that they are palestinian,sudanese or iraqi.they dont say that this refugee paper is a easy way to get one or three months free here,and then get in the row to take another one.What makes me angered is the confusion between immigrants and refugee.The italians in america werent refugees,in the early 20th century.It was overpopulation that drove them,the inability of italy to create new jobs,for the rapidly increasing population,and the inability to take measures for that.But its also interesting that in the same time Italy was a military power that was bulling over the tiny greece back in those times,wanted Ethiopia,Eritrea,Somalia,Libya,made agreements with kemal,busy bashing greeks,wnated greek islands,and a the same time (20s-30s) the majority of Italians supported fascists and they helped fascist Italy,as long as the middle of the WWII.That has a lot to tell us about the differnece about immigrant and refugee,and why sometimes is hazaradous for a society to help or accept all sorts of illegal immigrants.If nazi Germany won the war,then fascism would be prevalent in Italy,propably they would be a ceasefire with USA,but the vast majority of italians in USA would become pro-fascist and supporters of fasism,something that the “pure-motherland” Italy would easily get done(immigration groups,culture groups for emigrantes,segrgation groups,pride not to assimilate,ex).Its science fiction?????NO,because after the unification of Germany,the same happened to limited degree to german immigrants,the same goes today.Sometimes its the hazardous ideologies for a society that make this society decay and vanished.I totally understand the need for sincere relationships with immigrants in the field of wages,and the prevention fro mexaggeration,BUT NOT IN A MILLION IN THEIR PROVIDANCE OF FULL CITIZENSHIP AND OTHER PRIVILIGES AS LONG AS THEY DONT EXPRESS OUR CULTURE AND IDEAS,offcourse there muslims in greece but the other greeks agreed with them in various terms.Its lame to want from Greeks to do that now in your own terms.We did back in 1923 with muslims in thrace because we agreed so,the majority agreed.I trully understand suadi arabia not giving citizenship or building churches,its the choice of the majority.But why Greek people from greek blood cant have the same right in their country.The damage have already be done,becasue giving citizenship to people that dont reprsent greek culture gave the voting right to harmful for greek people political parties to lead our lives.Saudis know that very well.If they give citizneship to every hindu or pakistani,things that they want to be maintained they would simple fade.Anyway,what people dont know about refugees and immigrants,its that refugees are usually more eager to assimilate or go back to their countries.They didnt left their homeland for money or a better insurance and tax system.A real patriot fight for his country and stay to rebuild it,adventurers immigrate.Dont forget most Greeks immigrate after 1914,1922-231944,1949 and 1974,the ones that immigrate in early 20thcentury and late 19thc,were a few and creat more poblems and commited crimes more than that lot of the greeks that immigrate after 1914.Also Greeks in Germany immigrated via contracts,THOSE PEOPLE HERE COME ILLEGALLY.Thats the big differnece.

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  23. jon says:

    KILL ALL PAKIS IN GREECE KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL

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      No its not because they are pasthuns,balluchi,punjabi the problem,its because 1)they are muslim,and very educated in islam that they act with such disrespect in public areas some times,or toward boys and women.Well not all of them but many of them,ive seen some of them with the tradditionaly mulsim dress and small hat spitting after a police car passed and mocking.Also its their stupid nationalism that their stupid countries teaching them like in Albania,that are so antigreek.
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      2)The absence of law,the absence of fear of the law that lead them to defy everything and act like this.The problem ARE NOT PAKISTANIS,ITS NOT THE RACE THE GODDAMN PROBLEM,ITS the culture,the beliefs that they bring,no matter if they are blonde like russian or black like somalis.Also the biggest problem is why we dont act in a proper way.The root is those who govern us,tehy destroyed police,and dimins police everyday,those want us to accept everyone in our society,those are the biggest problem.I dont try to persuade the muslim pakistani to follow my ideas,but to see the reality,the way why many of us,dont want many of them here,and the reason problems exist.We fight in 1821 to gain our freedom from people that would give it to you only if you became one of them,muslim,SO ITS NOT RACE,its culture,economics have a great stand on the problem but are only the surface of it.I WANT TO LIVE IN A MULTIRACIAL SOCIETY NOTTTTTT IN A MULTICULTURAL.My forefathers fight for this,and yours too.Byxantine empire was multiracial state,roman empire too.If the spilled their blood for a certain culture to survive here,in this small land,then why i should give it away.Saudi Arahia,Turkey,Albania,Egypt,Libya,even if i go here to work ,its not the same life,can live free as i want here,and express my culture.

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  24. about John says:

    John, Are you drunk? You seem to me an abnormal brutish guy. Hell is an ideal place for to live.Why dont you kill yourself to reach hell immediately?

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  25. C.R. says:

    Pakistani migrants in Greece are not criminals. They are poor, hard working people who came to Greece for a better future just like so many others from other countries have done. Very seldom do we hear that Pakistanis are involved in unlawful acts unlike people of other nationalities, e.g. Albanians. Let us not discriminate people based on where they come from or their religion. I am Greek, living in Greece and I feel for all migrants. Above all, I regard them as HUMAN BEINGS. I relly wonder how my fellow Greeks writing negative comments about Pakistanis would feel if they were born in a country that would ‘push’ them to depart for other countries in search of a better life (usually puting their own life in enormous risk). I believe that in Greece we can all live together in peace working for this country and respecting each other’s dfferences. Let us reject bigotry of all hues and help foreigners to integrate. We can take a lot from them as they can from us. All people I know think almost the same way, the only difference is that they do not write it as I have just done.

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  26. Stilicho says:

    Yes, Pakistanis are human beings; nonetheless, there are critical differences between human beings. There is the -pure- white race, that creates civilization, and other races that, generally speaking,destroy civilization. Pakistanis are among the latter ones. We do not Greece to be another Pakistan and ourselves like your Pakistanis. Moreover, according to other Moslems, they are violent, criminal people. In Saudi Arabia, on Fridays, when public executions of criminal people, take place, the nine out of ten put to death are Pakistanis.And last but not least: Pakistan is an American-run country, i.e. a jewish-run one.

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    • C.R. says:

      Stilicho, allow me to disagree with you. First, personally I do not believe in pure white race, all races are able of producing civilization as well as havoc. Second, even if in Saudi Arabia as you say Pakistanis commit criminal acts, you have to admit that generally here in Greece this not the case. Third, we should not generalise. If for example a Greek commits a crime abroad, this does not automatically mean all Greeks are criminals. Finally, I insist that we should think deeply and not demonise all foreigners or all muslims. As christians we are taught to love and tolerate. This does not mean that immigrants do not have obligations. They should definitely respect the country that accomodates them. I would also like to mention that Greece will not become another Pakistan just because we have so many Pakistanis and other muslims. They haven’t come here to change us but to change their lives and the lives of their families back home. After all, we are not defenseless as a nation. We have solid foundations,our history,culture,traditions, education etc. We should not feel threatened. On the contrary, let us allow Pakistanis and others living in this country to share with us the good things we have. I believe in peaceful coexistence just because we are all human beings, so different yet so close…

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  27. Stilicho says:

    C.R., allow me to disagree with you. People like you, either for interest or for stupidity, are destroying Europe in general and Greece in particular. Sooner or later we shall be openly foes. If you win, Europe will be over. If we win, there will be hope for our children.

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    • C.R. says:

      This is not a war Stilicho. Even if I totally disagree with you, I do not consider you a ‘foe’. Why can’t you understand that as Greeks we are both interested in Greece and none of us has any intention of destroying the country? We just happen to have different beliefs and ideas and we both have the right to express them. I just wonder why should you have so much hatred towards immigrants and in particular Pakistanis.Why so much fear and insecurity? This is not how Greeks are. We have always been hospitable and compasionate. It is not stupidity as you say. Europe should not be afraid as it has solid foundations and enormous potential. I am not irrational as I understand the need of finding a way to stop the influx of immigrants. Greece is a small country of almost 12 million and probably cannot accomodate more migrants. However, let us respect those who are already here and facilitate their integration in Greek society. Don’t you at least agree that they are people just like me and you who had the misfortune to be born in a country with enormous political and financial problems and desparately try to find a place in the sun? Have we ever even thought of putting ourselves in their shoes just for a minute? How would we feel?

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  28. Stilicho says:

    All right. Give us back the Athens neighbourhoods (St.Panteleimon, Kypseli, Patissia etc) occupied by the jewish-run Moslems and I shall not regard you as a foe any more.

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    • Check this says:

      It should be also be pointed out,that despite you can find cheap paid jobs in countryside,many of them stay here mesmerizing in the capital.Thats why Albanians,are not stupid,go to any single village and you will find at least one Albanian.Also why not a single,both of you leftist scum and other EU doesnt aknoledge that afgans,somalis,iraqis,kurds in patras city want to pass to Italy.Why dont you leftist scum,disable Dublin II,and enforcing the rest of EU to take a care of their share,which cant be smaller than our like nowdays happening???????

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  29. C.R. says:

    I have no power to ‘give you back’ the areas you mention. This should be done by those who have expertise and legitimate authority always based on laws and the respect of human rights and the rights immigrants have as human beings. The problem cannot be solved with threats, hatred and outrageous comments such as ‘kill Pakistanis'(something we should apologise for to Pakistanis who read the responses to this post).I cannot believe there are people who think like that. Finally, I don’t live in Kolonaki or Ekali, in my area there are plenty of immigrants who live with us peacefully trying hard for their life as the rest of us do.

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      “I don’t live in Kolonaki or Ekali”nor i i live in western subrubs,and a great of pakistanis here have no reason to live here.its not that many of them dont find jobs,its also because some of them behave like shit.I understand that Greeks do the same to Greeks,but imported troublmakers should be avoided.Also troublemaking and illegal activity is not the only thing about immigration,its also the culture that these people represent.I dont want to live with someone that had the same beliefs with those that kept my forefathers dhimmis.If you dont take seriously their religion,then you will never understand why most Albanian criminals comes from muslim areas,and why subsuharan africans are not causing such troubles like somalis.Why for a change dont look at the rest of Europe,its not about race(racism).If we brought one million christian Pakistanis,not a single person,would bitch about them,and i totally guarantee this.People can live with respect and in peace when they share similar or same beliefs and ideologies,no matter what their race is,and not when you give them green card,build them a mosque or pay for immigration care.Actually if we had a tide of non muslim immigrants,most people would be close to them,and the possible troubles would be healed.Thats why hispanics in America are progressing,because they lead similar lifes with blacks,jews,germans,italianamericans,on the other side look at Morrocans in France or Netherlands,its like going backwards,despite all the programms from the state.

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  30. Muhammad Amin says:

    This is very interesting discussion between two where we shall find the solution soon.

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  31. Sunset says:

    C.R. is right. Pakistanis are our friends and along with other immigrants should be helped to integrate in Greek society. A big number of them has already done so. The problem must be solved in a civilised way avoiding ‘extreme’ voices. Peace, cooperation and discussion can be a good first step. Rich countries must assist poor ones so that their citizens don’t have to relocate. It’s difficult and complicated but there must be a solution somewhere.

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  32. Stilicho says:

    C.R., Sunset (and of course “Muhammad” Amin) believe that all races are equal as far as creation of civilization and culture is concerned. In other words, they believe that Greeks, who created the Classical civilization, the Byzantine one, and who -alone- led to a happy end the 1821 Revolution against the Turks, are equal to the jews who created absolutely nothing in the field of culture and civilization. They believe so obviously because they are either jews or jewish-run people. In that case, discussion with them is meaningless. For, as told centuries ago, people with honour have nothing to tell to the jews. In point of fact, jews discuss not to find solutions to problems, the truth generally speakins, but only in order to serve their own interest.

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      What Jews have to do with greek immigration problem???????????Greece is a different nation,muslims invade and occupied our lands ,and exploited as for centuries.Thats our state,if we created to bring huge islamic populations,then why we created????In Lebannon the immigration of enormous muslim populations from south destroyed its secular character during sixties and seventies.Yes they are humans,but we are not the reason for their unemplyment.Ok as humans we have to show philanthropy,but then it would be better to show it in their countries.We dont have to destroy our society by bringing them here,because they dont represent our culture,and its obvious that they will vote for their interests like muslims in Bulgaria,Sweden,and ex.What leftists dont say to our pakistani friend is that they see him as temporary voter,nothing more.They want power,and they dont give a fuck for the rest of us.1981-1989,1993-2004,2009-the same leftist party,they drove us here,they are responsible for our economy and as far as im concerned albanians,pakistanis,and every foreinger who have resideny votes only those(PASOK,siriza,oikologous).I verify to everyone that most Greek people are not like C.R.,excpet if you belong to that 2 million PASOK suckers,that from 81 and after sucking the blood of the rest of the Greeks.

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  33. C.R. says:

    Stilicho, believing what I have written in previous responses does not make me a Jew! I have no connection to Jews and have never been concerned with Jews.I haven’t even met a Jew so far in my life. So don’t draw conclusions that have no basis. Further, I have no problem with Jews as people either.(I do not refer to their politics though with which I disagree). You certainly have. Discussion is never meaningless even with people who totally disagree with you. Yes Greece was the cradle of western civilization and created democracy and we are all proud of it. This is an additional reason for us to show that modern Greeks are equally civilised and can discuss using reasonable argumentation. By saying that everybody who does not embrace your ideas is a Jew does not make sense and does not lead anywhere.

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  34. One cannot disgree with CR’s excellent approach. We find ancient Greece motherland of Philosopy,Science,Sp0rts,Culture and Politics. Whole the world appreciate and respect them a lot.A follower of Greeck history cannot hate others on bases of colour, creed,religion or race.One will always reject these abuses. I am from district Gujrat,Pakistan. Many people from this are left their families,education and jobs in Pakistan and left for their journey to developed world only to raise their incom.Hundreds of my childhood friends are setteled in europe,canada,usa or in other parts of the world. Human trafficking is common in my district due to on going trend.In my native city Lalamusa and from its rural areas, thousands of people are in Greece only. My 40 years old real broter left for Greece six months before. He could not educate or feed his family of four children.Now he does every hard job to earn for his family. Now his family is being fed well. His four children are going to school. And this is only because of his so called crime of disguising himself ‘A REFUGEE’ status. Unfortunately,Pakistanis in Greece are unskilled and less educated people. But in other eu countries situation is totally different. They are considered to be civilesed, educated and hardworking people.

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    • Check this says:

      Well i never said that all(a great deal of them are trouble makers,not all of them) Pakistanis here are criminals,actually i said that generally everyone non muslim should be wellcomed(for cultural reasons,similar to those that gulf states or Turkey impose) here without conditions,Ethipeans,Copts,christianis from Arabic countries contributed more and touched nobody here.For those who are muslim should be a check-point.The ones that we want as country,we should allow them to enter and work in particular fields and no voting rights and political rights,only financial and labour rights.Also because i live in my area and not dreaming,the criminals are Albanians,Ukrainians,Russians,Romanians,and gypsies from those countries,especially from Bulgaria(heavy crime-drugs,burglaries,death deals,ex).The rest is new to us,the last 5 years actually because mostly of Pakistanis,Somalis(especially them,well i think its pointless to say that Somalis are the majority into illegal activities,ive seen many Kurds,Albanians,Iraqis in illegal but ok jobs,but Somalis and nigerians tend to avoid every work,ask your brother),Afgans and many others.Well your brother is not policeman or living here for years but i lived years and i see it with my eyes how my neibghorhood became dangerous because of evil deeds pakistani(not all)ve done here.Yes they are not all,but the problem is that before them we had only addicts and Albanian crime,we cant afford so much crime on us ,anymore.Yes there are Albanians who work,but it would be hillarious to say that our lives get better with them,we can give jobs and help some,but why the desrespect us so much.Ive seen many pakistanis mocking at local women,and even taping her with their phones,and insulting them.No not all pakistanis do it,but ive not seen a single Greek here before acting like this,not a single.Also do you know that maybe your brother have found a job here,but maybe not without harming someone.Because when Albanians first came in 1990 they worked for lower wages and many greek artisans were put out of competion,and now is worst.Last year in Chios island Pakistanis took the jobs of Albanians there,for working at lower wages,and the Albanians(who them too have families and maybe four kids)stab one of the pakistanis,for revenge.Well nobodys fault,pakistanis want jobs,and try the hardest to get one(but a great deal of them dont work,and are seasonals,especially those in central Athens,are out of question,because most work is in the countryside,for instance the ones in my neibhorhood they dont have a proper job,they sell toys and things in streets,one is collecting old metals,and some work in restaurants,where i happened to work for a while,as a teenager,and back then Albanians really screwed the wages).You know that illegal immigration destroyed wages and still doing it,ive heard that they now prefer to taking accountants from India or other occupations with lower degrees for lower wages,and the problem is the state,it doesnt help.The socialist party is doint nothing,absolutely nothing.Maybe you should your brother what would happen if more pakistanis or eastern europeans,or else enter and agree to work for your borthers job at lower payment,then you will find what illegal immigration is,besides crime.At leat we as Greeks didnt immigrate in Canada,Australia illegally,and we worked harder than anyone,and assimilate there.We werent like italians and their stupid mafia,or like turks and morrocans.Do you believe that we didnt have famine,yes our ancestors had,but they fight it themeselves,Australians had nothing to do with that.,and we dont immigrate en mass anymore.Thats the problem with you,you believe that immigration will stop,if those pakistanis or bangladesians find a job here(ask your brother about bangladeshians,they rule the streats,as beggars,not kidding,half of them dont work,its not lie).Many others will come,because of your overpopulation and population groth.Bangladesh is reaching 200millions,its just the problem that gets exported to us.If you dont halt your population you will still not finding jobs in your countries and it will be a time,that even England or Germany would afford more.Also ask your brother if he pay taxes here(for everything,car,DEI,OTE,ext,to state),if his (propably not registered) pension is limited by states taxes,like the registered ones.Well your brother want permanent residence,but would he pay taxes,when it comes and register his incomes,not even Albanians who have 20 years here dont do it.What about a family,i know greek families with two and three and hardly make it.Your brother should stop asking for residence,when a new immigration wave comes(somtheing inevitable)he would discover what most of old immigrants did.Unfair COMPETITION.

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  35. CR, Please carry on writing your views. You have an absolute approach to the subject.

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  36. Sunset says:

    Muhammad I agree with CR as well. As for Pakistanis here in Greece, they are hardworking indeed. Even if most of them are uneducated they are not less human beings compared with those who are. Behind every immigrant there is a bitter personnal story. No thinking person can imagine that they would leave their home and make this long uncertain and dangerous trip without any reason or with a hiden agenda. I do hope that one day Pakistan will become a stable and prosperous country and Pakistanis won’t need to work abroad. Do not think that the extreme views of some Greeks represent all Greeks. However, we are all free to express our ideas. About Stilicho: only those who run out of arguments accuse the others in a discussion. I assure you I am not a Jew either, I only believe in integrating the immigrants who are in my country. And for your information I also believe that immigration to Greece must stop to avoid further problems. Nevertheless, what can we do with those who already live here? My answer is coexistence and respect. Only those who commit crimes should be arrested and deported. Generalisation is wrong by definition.

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      Hardworking,not exactly,actually most Albanians are more hardworking,and ive seen young Albanians working in two jobs and many pakistanis snoring after miday :-D Also many Pakistanis prefered to do mild jobs,and pressing themesleves in building constructions,stones,ex like Albanians,Romanians,Bulgarians,Kurds ve done from the beginning.Most pakistanis seem very idle,thats why you would find thousands of them in elefsina,athens.Also i ts obvious why you find them around athens-thebes,south attica,salamina.They didnt get bothered like Albanians to search for the job,they didnt get bothered like Albanians to go to every village,many of them stay in Athens and keep winning their fate.Greeks are not the most hardworking here,as i se it only 1 out of four is.But Albanians are,and also they have most of criminality.Also many of the pakistanis here are not the big father,having to a big family to save.Many of them are at 18-25 unmarried,and despite they are human beings,they are troublemakers and its obvious that Italy,England should accept them and NOT SENDING THEM BACK TO US,we have run out of jobs here.There are plenty in Italy,Swiss,France,Netherlands,Belgium,Norway but they sending us all of them back.As for coexistence and respect,thats the problem,pakistanis,somalis,albanians started desrepspect where i live,in the beginning when older pakistanis were here,there was no probblem,now some a lot of young vagrants came and some fanatics,and they started problems.Why we dont have the same problems with africans from Congo or Uganda,that are coming here two decades now???Because they dont have so many(or at all) bastard elements creating problems to Greeks,thats why.What about Chinese or Philipinese,if you limiting the problem to stupid claims that only a minority doing this or that,is the same like ignoring it.Also why nobody of you doesnt protest for Dublin II,why Italy and the rest of EU,dont want a single more,and we have to take more?????

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  37. Peace says:

    ‘Check this’, here are some thoughts: living in a society where everybody has the same religion is utopian and against the right of each one of us to believe in any faith he/she choses. Today there is a huge number of people in Greece who have risked their life to enter Europe for a better future. None of them has chosen the country s/he was born or the religion s/he got from their family. Many immigrants happen to be muslims. Aren’t they people just like we Christians are? Is it right to discriminate them based on the religion they have? I believe not. Why can’t a society consist of people who have different cultures and religions but coexist peacefully working for the common good? Why should there always be friction, war and hatred among different cultures and religions, not only in Greece but all over the world? Isn’t it time to put an end to this? Our forefathers have indeed fought for the freedom we enjoy today and for our culture and therefore, we honour them. However, life has gone on, time has passed and the society has changed. Now there are other problems and needs. We have muslim immigrants that should be given their rights. If we respect them they will respect us too. I don’t live in a dream, I understand that it is going to be a difficult process but it can be done. As for those muslims who cause problems or involve themselves in illegal acts, they should be isolated, arrested, deported, in short, treated the way laws stipulate. I accept that there are some fanatic muslims and I am against such an attitude but I also know that they do not represent the vast majority of others who just want to work and make their life better.

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  38. Sunset says:

    I am afraid that ‘Check this’ did not read my comment well. I never said ‘we have to take more’. I said that immigration towards Greece should stop to avoid further problems. What about the immigrants (of all religions) who are already living here? It would be at least irrational and against human rights if Greece deported muslims. Why do you place so much importance on religion? What about Romanians for instance who although Christians are notorious for their criminality? How do you explain it? It should be made clear though that not all Romanians are the same. The same way Pakistanis are not all the same. I have seen Pakistanis working hard in luxury homes of rich Greeks and in fields in Anatoliki Attiki and Viotia. Many have established small businesses downtown Athens. They try to make an honest living and have a normal life. In all communities there are lazy people or troublemakers even among Greeks. As for offenders and criminals there are laws that should be applied equally to everyone living in this country. It is not up to citizens to take the law in their hands.Foreigners who offend, steal, kill or try to impose Islam should be arrested and deported as ‘Peace’ also said. I already explained that we should not generalise. If some are bad not all are. Many Pakistanis are young as you say and that indicates how desparate they were to undertake such a hard and potentially deadly trip to enter Europe. Young people without a future, leaving everything behind. What if we were born in Pakistan and were desparate to leave for a better life? How would you feel if you were given the label of the ‘unwanted’ in the country you would end up, on the basis of your culture and religion? Countries you mention like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt even Pakistan itself don’t allow people of other cultures and religions to live free. So what? What Greece has to do with that? Should we follow their example? We should not because this is not a matter of revenge. If they do so, too bad for them . In the country where democracy was born different cultures should be acceptable. Stop being afraid of everything and everyone who is different. Finally, stop writing stuf such as ‘stupid arguments’, ‘leftist scums’ or ‘Pasok suckers’. Don’t other people have the right to express opinions different from yours? At least I respect your arguments even if I don’t agree with some of them.

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  39. C.R. says:

    What is going on with you people? Some of you lose their temper when they read things they don’t agree with. ‘Accusing’ others of being ‘scum leftists, ‘PASOK suckers’, ‘Jews’, ‘enemies’ and other nonsense is easy. I did not call anyone names in all my comments. Can’t you for a change discuss in a civilised way and stop assuming things about other people whose views you dislike? By the way, politics leave me cold. I do not speak from a political point of view but from personnal experience, feelings and beliefs. It goes without saying that immigrants should have labour and financial rights. As for the rest, e.g. the right to vote or nationality, they should take them under conditions. This is a way to integrate them and facilitate their already difficult life. Don’t start attacking me for this. I said it should be done under conditions.

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  40. Muhammad Amin says:

    There is no fear of clashes of civilisations in Greece,particularly. I find Pakistanis of my area who are working in Greece, are more civilised,liberal and cultured and this is only because they have spent time in a western country. We in Pakistan,we prefer to educate our children in English Medium Schools. We are not afraid of our cultural disaster in Pakistan.We have millions of refugees in our country doing so many legal or illegal activities on our soil.But we Pakistanis do not hate them. They do not face social discimination in our society.Although we are not a rich country.

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      Different your refugees than ours,and yes culture and civilization is a major thing,we have half million muslims here,turks,pomaks,romas,albanians,arabs.But now we are facing serious problems.Its not only integration,its that Greece is not UK,there are not even jobs for half of them,and tens of thousands arrive every year.Criminality here is the biggest for eu member.Also there is no point of high education in a country that needs factories and jobs that fast.Most of them are adventurers,they dont care for your pakistan,thats why most africans in europe never returnt to africa.The most civilized pakistanis you will not find in pakistan but in your country,the ones that go out,study and work for half of the wage in local hospital or open a company.We have not discrimination,we dont hunt pakistanis,its actually quiete the different there are no areas for greeks or other immigrants,where pakis or bengalis leave,like the centre of athens,anyway if your problem is the existence of racial slur then you lost the point.Its mostly about the ability of a country that cant handle so many foreigners.Imagine 40-50 million(,many of them unedecuted immigrating into pakistan,there would be havoc and anarchy.Its different for Uk double the size of greece,with 50 million english and irish people,and that strong economy to welcome 1 million more pakistanis and not fro greece,of the 9 million greeks with an already disfunctioning population and economy.

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  41. Sunset says:

    Muhammad I’m sorry but social discrimination in Pakistan is a sad fact. We read or watch on TV that Christians are considered to be second class citizens without equal access to available opportunities in playing a role in the Pakistani set-up. Many times their houses are burned and looted and some of them are even killed. Recently I was reading in the newspapers about continuous murders of people in Karachi and other cities due to their political beliefs. Even yesterday’s attacks in Lahore mosques and the death of 80 innocent people just because they were followers of a minority sect was shocking. I believe that Pakistan has a very long way to cover until social peace and equality prevails.

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  42. Muhammad Amin says:

    Sunset is absolutely right to say that Pakistan has to go long to cover discrimination agains minorities as well as against its own people. In our neighbouring countries like India,China,Iran,Afghanistan and Bangladesh,situation is even worse. Human blood is very cheap in our part of world and life is not bed of roses in this region. Pakistani constirutional assembly declared its own minorities second class citizens in 1973 which was rediculous.We paid the price of Cold war between USA and Soviet Union in Afghanistan. West alongwith USA,armed religious groups to fight against USSR. Zia ul Haq a notorious dictatior of Pakistan was backeb by Super Powers, imposed theocracy in Pakista.Since1977, Pakistan was totally different country. Zia indulged imported Jahadies in Pakistan backed by west. Our education system and social values changed. And our allies welcomed fundamentalism on our soil. Later on,Pakistan became hell not only for minorities but also for Muslims. Now in a vast majority, people still hate killing of innocents but they are confused to chage the laws of the state. Religious parties cannot gain power in Pakistan at all but they will not let peace come in our lives. Christians,Hindus,Parsies and other minorities are not afraid of Muslims. They are afraid of fundamentalism of Mullaas,sectarian heads and religious heads.No government in Pakistan can survive if it tries to equalise the minorities status legally or constitutionally as Musharruf tried his lame efforts. In fact this is not the real preaching or teaching to Islam.I think we need to be extremist against extremism in Pakistan to deal such horrible incidents.

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  43. Sunset says:

    Informed people in Greece know what is going on in Pakistan. Muhammad’s description is accurate. If you add poverty to all this then you understand why Pakistanis immigrate masively. Many political games are played on the back of people all over the world especially by the great powers. Since its independence Pakistan is a victim of both its governments (most of them dictatorships) and the great powers. Interests, money, corruption, exploitation, imperialism, fanatism, intolerance have driven entire countries to the edge. Education for all and birth control are necessary. Pakistan’s population has exploded and illiteracy is soaring. Something must be done otherwise immigration to other countries will not stop. I hope the best for Pakistan and other countries in such a condition. After all, we are all human beings, unfortunately some of us not so lucky…

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      The why chinese or indian hindus immigrate at the same rates,its not only pakistanis its also bangladeshian muslims,those from egypt,niger,mali,morocco.Yes we are all human beings but massive immigration to a small country would destroy that country.We are at worst fiscal age than late 70s,after all i cant stand your hypocricy,when it comes to this.Look how libya,saudi arabia,iran,turkey,azerbaijan or the rest of EU and motherfucking USA is treating immigrants from south asia.They are more powerful more rich,they have strong economies and they dont give much fuck for them,why Greece have to sustain all of that heavy duty.10% its enough granted our situation,enough,and we have 25%illegals,and many of them are driven to crime not because we cant find them work but because they find in italy or austria or belgium and they send them back.Also its the overpopulation issue,you cant sustain that huge numbers.Its fucking insane someone to make 4-5 children,and then complaining that he cant survive.Back in 50s nobody gave a damn,and you were responsible of your actions.If they cant sustain families then stay bachelor and help the ones that already have or can raise a family.Also they lack sense of work responsibility,back in 90s it wasnt rare to see a father sending his 6 or 7 children to work in industries,and himself doing nothing,just because he was embarrased,the new generation,doesnt have such dilemmas its havoc now,work,steal or die.After all take a careful look how their debtors(UK,USA) and their sunni arab friends treating them.They take 1 million pakis to SA,barhain or iran for cheap labour and then end of the contract or no contract,they return them back.Sunni arab love.Greece has the lightest and most lenient immigration laws and that is dragging greece to the abyss.No matter if Qaddafi stop fucking africans,pakis,philippinos and egyptians in his country,i am not able to change the situation for them,just to inform pakistanis that they should better look for other ways.They should press Uk,arabs,russia,turkey and china to stop the charities and work on them.

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      • Sunset says:

        Yes, it’s not only Pakistanis who try to live abroad for a better life. There are so many others who are forced to do so. I mentioned Pakistanis because the initial article refers to them. Why do you call me hypocritical? Of course I know that other countries with much stronger economies mistreat immigrants but I do not see the connection. Should Greece follow their bad example because of the financial crisis? What do you suggest? Massive deportation? At least you admit that they are human beings and therefore they should be treated accordingly. Of course I understand that Greece cannot afford more immigrants and I never said that our borders should be open and allow anyone to sneak into the country. Although I am not a specialist I would say that better border patrol and enforcement of strict immigration policies are not suffient. As long as there is extreme poverty, dictatorships, wars, misery etc. immigration will never stop. The issue is much more complex but big and powerful countries do not care about solving it through financial assistance, education,investments etc.The US interferes only there where it has interests. Frankly I see no solution and believe me I feel very bad about all those who have to leave their homeland and even risk their lives. Sometimes I pass in front of the Pakistani embassy at Loukianou street and when I see them queing for hours I do not feel that they are ‘enemies’ who came here to ‘destroy’ Greece. I just imagine what they have come through and I put myself in their shoes for a moment even through imagination. Well I am sure that I would not bear it. Call me naive or romantic but this is how I feel. About overpopulation I already mentioned it. But how can you explain this to completely illiterate people, poor and hungry in countries with no social services? Don’t expect any changes if education is not provided and money is not spent. I don’t know if you believe it but politics leave me cold and I do not support any political party in Greece. I just express personnal opinions and feelings.

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          Ofcource massive deportation especially when hypocrite Turkey tranports them with fleets and dont give them shelter and food,even if Turkey is one the biggest economies.As long as EU,rich Arab countries,Malaisia,Iran or USA,Brazil,Chile,Urugay with bigger economies than Greece and hell less troubles than ours we should massively deport them.Cut the crap for humanistic help and other bullshits.I dont care if they wait hours in front of embassy,when many other countries,like norway or Denamrk or Switzerland can give them food or jobs and Greece cant.Denying the problem of unemplyment in Greece and the fact that there is not work even for uskilled workers,its the worst.They dont do any good,ive seen it myself,people prefered 100 of them for 20 albanians for lower wages,the problem is that you can screwing the wages,and stabilization means deportation of the surplass of unskilled workers because the would harm the rest immigrant or skilled/unskilled workers.Cut the emtotional crap,there no money to spend on education of unskilled workers,because we are in a huge debt and we dont give money in our first priorities.Create jobs for the natives and help Greeks,first,and secondly help that one million from albania,arab countries,russia and other who came here long before pakis,bangladeshis and other south asians and cnotributed more.And when all this would be done we would be able to support some more.As for US i would say it again i dont give a fuck,if rich arab countries,russia,the rest of EU,rich south american economies,turkey,malaisia,australia,new zealand dont give a fuck for them it would be fatal mistake for me to live them here.Greece has no power to pursuade all of them to care firstly for them.Also you keep denying that most of this is caused by overpopulation and lack of new jobs.Most of them come from punjabi and gujarati areas,or bangladesh and muslim areas in india,where jobs are hidden treasure.Their population is keep growing without new jobs emerging,thnx to foreign aid,that reduced birth mortal rates that kept popualtion at a relative normal number,or to the cheap indusstrialization and need fro cheap hands rich muslim states pursued in that areas.If you dont understand that the population of country 8 times bigger than Greece,with 3 times more arrable land than Greece,have grown from a 18 million stable poplation in 1930s to 180 million nowadays without any important industrialization,like the one India,Malaisia,Libya or SA acheave then you would never find the solution to their problems.The rate between creating new jobs and demand of jobs is the worst in south asian countries,and especially among muslims.On the other hand birth rates among hindus,seculars,budhists and christians are on the fall,and their situation is getting better.Muslims have 5-9 children in most areas,and this thing is not new,but its going and would keep going as it seems.Thats also the reason why immigration from Greece,Yugoslavia or Portugal to Germany haulted years agowhilst turkish immigrated at their biggest numbers during 70s-80s(especially many illegal).Higher birth rates considering the creation of new jobs lead to that past wave,and it was haulted when Germany forced strick immigration rules back in early 90s,so Turkey was forced to face its problems and now its a economic power.Afganis and Somalis maybe are refugees,but pakistanis,bangladeshis,blacks from mali,chad,mauritania,senegal are the products of that overpopulation and inability of their states to create new jobs.Even south african states face that problem from norther states like niger or mali,but at least they face it.I dont blame muslims,i just want to highlight the negative perspectives if we get into the effort to sustain and feed the surplass of illegal immigrant population from islamic backgrounds,and become a new Lebanon.Also most of these people are not as innocent as they seem,and many like the ones in UK or many Turks in Germany dont want to integrate and create huge problems.Saudi Arabia,Iran and Libya are islamic states but have succesfully managed issues like these.We have to set rules,when we find the financial means to sustain some of them.Deportation also would help their countries politicians to face the situation otherwise they would lose their heads from the tensions and civil strife(during past times italian,irish,english,dutch or french have done the same to escape from civil unrest and wars).I dont find the point to worry if they made it to the embassy(especially when they rip their papers before getting caught),or if they cant find a shelter to rest.If half of them should leave Greece,our priority is to deport them.Anyway the best thing right now,is to press our goverment to nullify Dublin II and enforce the regulations that signed with Libya.In that way many of them would move to their final destinations illegally but they would not be able sending them back to Greece.its a hard world,but just people shouldnt pay it for this,i dont say that were are the most innocent and best,but Greeks are not responsible for their situation.

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          • Sunset says:

            If humanitarian aid (in whatever form this could be)is bullshit and crap for you, I am sorry but it is not for me. You and me are sitting comfortably in front of our computer screens discussing and looking at the problem theoretically but they feel it, they live and experience it every day. They have no support and most of them, unlike us, have lived in absolute poverty and under dictatorial regimes. That’s why I understand where they are coming from. Do you believe that they got up a beautiful morning and said ‘OK, let’s go to Greece!’? Well, they did not and if they had the chance to go to rich Scandinavian countries they would. Greece happens to be the gate of Europe due to its geographical position. So, they are trapped here. Some of them establish small businesses and some live on washing the cars’ windscreens at the traffic lights. Some others are involved in illegal acts and they are the ones that should be deported. I do not believe in massive deportation. If the words ‘human beings in extreme trouble’ mean nothing to you I am sorry for you. Are you so sure that you will never be in extreme need, that your life will go on normally with just minor ordinary problems that we all face every day? Have you ever thought that life is too short to be so indifferent and cruel saying ‘I don’t care about them queuing for hours’ or ‘there should be massive deportation’? Yes, this is a huge political and social issue but it cannot be treated without any feelings involved just because we are talking about people and not pieces of furniture. Further, you did not read my post well. I said that overpopulation is definitely one of the biggest problems. Pakistani population will soon reach 200 million. But how can you explain this to totally uneducated and poor people who only care about their daily bread? Can Pakistan with its corrupt systems, non existent social services, uncountable problems such as terrorism, floods etc. do something about it? I am afraid not. The aid must come from abroad but great powers could not care less, unless their interests are involved. Of course it not Greece’s fault that so many foreigners come here and try to find a place in the sun. Of course it is not our obligation to support them all especially given the fact that we are a small country in financial crisis. Of course problems are caused in trerms of salaries in some sectors due to affluent cheap labour force. However, the problem of immigration as I already said requires cooperation between many coutries (Turkey included)and cannot be solved by Greek laws alone. As long as dictatorships terrorism, poverty, unemployment, corruption and misery reign in the so call developing world the influx of immigrants will not stop. Countries like Turkey and Lybia must respect their signatures and fulfill their obligations.If you massively deport, you make them more miserable than they already are and since there is no alternative they will find a way to come back again. A solution would be modification of EU laws to allow those who would like to leave to reach their final destination, something that is not done today. For those who would like to stay here integration to Greek society would be a good step. There are jobs that Greeks are not interested in, especially in agriculture. Whatever step our government takes must be done with respect to human rights.

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  44. Muhammad Amin says:

    Ahmedis, Christians,Hindus and other minorities are not free to practice their religion as the Muslims are. In my area Christians are the first minority.They are to do all dirty jobs in public departments and nonpublic departments. Their Churches and properties are being invaded by land mafia.They cannot educate or feed their children properly.Their literacy rate is very low.Most of them have become drug adicts. No govt or any international agency is having any plan to upgrade their standered of living and litracy.30 years back situation was not discouraging. Ahmedies were edcucated and financially sound in my area but most of them left Pakistan or particularly this area when they faced discrimination.Their is open air propaganda against minorities both officially and socially in Pakistan, which must be stoped now.

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      one thing i would say to you and the last.In the area i used to leave for a while,there were many newcomers illegals pakistanis and bengalis.Half of them were without job,most of those with job supported the others to make the day,some of them were punks and dont give aheck to raise money(ive seen albanians working in lousy conditions to raise some money and pakistanis spending them and live a free-style life).Anyway many of them,dont want to integrate and the problem is that there are no jobs.Sincerely the reason this happens is because of dublin II(fuck you pasok),all illegal immigrants that are caught in the rest of eu members(except those coming from morocco,algeria)they are returnt here in Greece,so we have a plus 2-2.5 million.If you go to the western coast of Greece you will understand what is going on.Albanian mafia,pakistani criminals and turkish ringleaders,and many others like ukrainians,roma,moroccans are keeping fellows of yours to work in lousy conditions(mostly begging,or for 1 euro in someones fields if there is work,and not even here,most times in other european parts )and then blackmailing them for money or the most common happens in turkey.In order to pass them from greece or bulgaria,they keep them in isolated places in istanbul,smyrna and ex,until their families sum all the money.Sorry to say it,but most pakistanis,afganis and bengallis illegals are in Turkey.Turkey is increasing economic power 8 times bigger than Greece,with an increasing need for the cheapest of manpower(most Turks wouldnt dream about wokring 5 euroes a day in field in every place of turkish anatolia,black sea or thrace).In the beginning kurds were a good cheap solution but now most turkish landowners prefer the cheapest in the market,and you know blackmailing is the best way.Not to mention what happens in other countries like Bulgaria,Poland,Hungary or the rich arab countries who paly it innocent.They point their fingers on Greece,but no shit about us.Anyway just to know the facts.There various cases especially the last years bewteen newcomers and oldcommers,seasonals,legals and illegals.Albanians stabbing bulgarians and romanians,romanians and albanians stabbing pakistanis and even arabs stabbing pakis or bengalis for the price of wage.Even the luckies one,are always safe.After all Greece is not that huge economy,its blasphemy to compare us to Germany,Uk or turkeys economy.So its up to the landowner or builder what to do on this(wages).Not to mention that building constructions are not even near to that boom of 90s and early 00s.I just dont understand the hypocricy of the rest of EU and their motherfuckers socialist crows here,that dont redeem that stupid immigration pacts.Even frontex is being dumped by Turkey and those western hypocrites have ecnomoies and populations that can afford millions more.Im not racist its just thats its unfair my country to have to sustain and feed 25 to 30% young illegal population and italy,finland,austria,netherlands,ireland,uk or danemark accepting some mere thousand every year.Greece cannot afford to find job for her own kids and france and uk spent billions on industry,they can feed some fucking millions of people.Uk had that vast colonial empire that sucked for decades the sources of the nations,greece is not industrial nation,we even beg israel for money.We are not that powerful as many you want to believe over there.Its sad,but we dont have the economy to survive as a state,i mean how the hell,others have even nuclear weapons like your country,8times bigger than mine,billions foreign aid from usa…

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  45. Muhammad Amin says:

    sunset, once again waiting for your reply.

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  46. Sunset says:

    Hi Muhammad, I did not reply because I did not have something new to write. I agree about the treatment of religious minorities in Pakistan but unfortunately it is very difficult for things to change under the current cirumstances. Rational, moderate and democratic Pakistanis have to wait a long time. It is a sad situation.

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  47. Patrick says:

    Come on people, No Government on earth is responsible for educating any body or any children.

    It is the parents job to teach, raise and educate the children.
    Think about it people. My Ethnic Aryan ancestors for more then 4,000 years teach there kids.
    Then, the kids who grow up educated run the government. Not the other way around.
    All the worlds governments are soo dumb because no one was homeschooled, so our government is filled with a bunch of people who were never really educated.

    Oh and, don’t blame anything for anyone’s drug habits.
    It has nothing to do with environment.
    It has everything to do with personal morality, and a personal relationship with Jesus.

    I have grown up not far from the Mexican border, with only my crippled mother my whole life, grew up on welfare and food stamps till I was old enough to get a minimum wage job.
    I was the victim of my racist peers almost every day of my life from 14 to 19 year old. It was browns who without knowing me or other hunted us down like animals every single day out of there genetic racism. I’ve been jumped more times then I have counted when I was 15 16 and 17.
    Uptown Kings almost murdered my twice, once at 17 once at 18.
    But I never went to drugs. I never choose to sink to such a low level.
    I know that Jesus loves me, and I know I have my Ethnic people to defend.
    It does not matter who is against me, for if Jesus is with me, then who shall I fear?

    There were many times I was afraid, but by 18 I was learning so much more from the Holy Spirit,

    and Jesus taught me to rest in Him, hold fast to His truth, and walk boldly in His Spirit.

    I stand by Jesus first, my People 2nd, my Family 3rd, my Nation 4th.

    -Patrick Kaiser

    Stop The Hate, SEPARATE

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  48. Patrick says:

    “Race is not a social construct, Society is a racial construct” -Patrick Kaiser

    “Since when is 90% of the worlds population a minority” -Patrick Kaiser

    “We Germans fear the Lord God, but nothing else in the world.” -Otto von Bismarck, the first imperial chancellor of Germany

    “Multiracialism =Fascism =Sin. Separatism =God’s Bio-Diversity” -Patrick Kaiser

    “Politically correct, is morally incorrect” -Patrick Kaiser

    What good is it if a man gains the whole world and yet forfeits his own soul? -Jesus

    We the people have spoken! Our voices are heard as we declare May European-American Heritage Month 30 years ago. And we continue to acknowledge it today! Speak out and let people know!

    “These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.” – G.K. Chesterton

    “Race is not a social construct, Society is a racial construct” -Patrick Kaiser

    “We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when grown men are afraid of the light” – Plato

    Destroy that which you do not understand ~ a typical Liberal approach.

    Einstein stole e=mc2 from Olinto DePretto and Samuel Preston

    Latin, Slavic, Germanic, Celtic, Nordic are the 5 cultures who make up Aryan!
    Aryan warriors arise and defend Christianity and our people, who were made by the hand of God.
    We are all the descendants of Japheth, he was one of Noah’s three sons. Arabia Asians and Jews are Asiatic and are the descendants of Shem, Africans are the descendants of Ham. For proof, read Genesis chapter 10

    Truth is the most offensive thing that exist in this world” ~Patrick Kaiser

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      Multiculturism sucks,its better to share the land and leave appart than leave with someone in your own farm. you cant afford even to sustain on his own feet.My ancestors shared a land,a little one,with their mere blood,so many centuries,im glad to share it with those i can help,im glad to share with those i can sustain,even if they dont represent my beliefs,but not to allow them to “fuck” me.Thats what happens to Greece.AS you see it some socialist(pasok-syriza) scums keep whimping and paly it the international virgin on the internet.After 30 years ffucking my country with their ideas,at least its my duty to say the truth.We say about Usa and injustice they call us antisemitics and refer to the “jews”.What jews,the ones in Obamas office,or the ones in Israel.The ones in Israel are mostly good guys and agree with everything with us.Who gives a fuck if they call us racist and fascist,they are the worst.Socialism and centre-leftists fuck every country they touch.We keep saying that overpopulation is a problem,they call us racist,jew-haters,and i dont know what else.At least i was right,i was crying for overpopulation,now the floods in pakistan and im right about it.Nobody listens,its pretty funny though that they still play it the innocent scapegoat those socialists after destroying my country for thirty years.What i wish to sunni pakistanis,is to stay away from Greece,never accept again USA charrity,and in the end there is no point to democracy for this country if it cant make it.The best is the christians,hindus,ahmadis and even some shias to move in europe,america and oceania.They would intergrate and would face better the economical and not obstacles here and there.And most libyans are sunnis too,but its seems that quadaffi keeps them in the right track.Comparing latino immigration in USa to that in europe,is stupid.American goverment,aipac,democrats and republicans are the scum of america and should apologize to everyone including their own citizens.

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  49. Nimanima says:

    I need to know recent condition of asian refugees in greece after financial crises.

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  50. PV says:

    ήρθε η ώρα όλοι οι Έλληνες σηκώθηκε και σκότωσαν όλους του Πακιστάν στην Ελλάδα, είναι η ώρα να πάρουμε πίσω τη χώρα μας !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Peace says:

      Ρε φίλε, πας καλά ή γράφεις αυτές τις μ…… για εντυπωσιασμό; Μιλάμε για ανθρώπους, όχι για κουνούπια. Είναι δυνατόν να υπάρχουν άτομα που προωθούν τη βία και το θάνατο συνανθρώπων από όπου κι αν είναι αυτοί; Αμφιβάλλω και για το αν είσαι Ελληνας από τα Ελληνικά σου. Κατά τα γνώμη σου λοιπόν ας πάρουμε τα όπλα κι όποιον πάρει ο χάρος. Ας γίνουμε ζούγκλα. Τα προβλήματα δεν λύνονται έτσι και ο κάθε σκεπτόμενος άνθρωπος το ξέρει. Τη χώρα μας δεν μας την πήραν οι Πακιστανοί αλλά όλοι αυτοί που μας κυβέρνησαν, αυτοί που έφαγαν και έκλεψαν και μας έφεραν σήμερα σε αυτό το σημείο. Και το ξέρουμε όλοι ότι είναι Έλληνες.

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